They are going full North Korea mode

[Mikhail_Mengsk]

I have written several threads and posts that are critical towards Paradox decisions and not been banned or had my posts removed. Paradox are pretty reasonable around their communities from my experience.

Up until a couple hours ago i could say the same, then a post of mine was deleted and i've been warned for this exact reason.

Ironic, considering i'm defending Stellaris 2.2 Le Guin update against wave after wave of criticism based on "i don't understand the new system therefore is bad". It just happens that i also think it has been rushed and has glaring AI, stuttering and UI issues. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[TurtleShroom]

Up until a couple hours ago i could say the same, then a post of mine was deleted and i've been warned for this exact reason. Ironic, considering i'm defending Stellaris 2.2 Le Guin update against wave after wave of criticism based on "i don't understand the new system therefore is bad". It just happens that i also think it has been rushed and has glaring AI, stuttering and UI issues. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Apsec, the premiere and only lay authority on all things "Stellaris", summed it up quite nicely in a video where Paradox could not touch it. The content itself is fantastic, and I actually think the new system is way cooler than the old building tiles (as well as making it look like a planet has more than twenty-five creatures). However, Apsec hit it spot on the nose when he said it needed more time to cook. They simply pushed the thing out the door way too fast. They should have waited until a few days before Christmas.

 

[TurtleShroom]

Boy did they start locking threads quickly. Anything that even hints at questioning their ever growing ridiculous DLC policy is being closed down in the Eu4 and Ck2 sub forums.

Paradox's DLC policy has always been fairer than most AAA studios. They always release completely new content that wasn't on the disc or game already, for instance. That is not to mention that you can buy the game, every DLC or EP, and all comestic features at once when the Sales roll around for, like, seventy dollars or so.

Also, HF was so big and full of features that it should have been called a good old-fashioned Expansion Pack instead of Downloadable Content.

The latest Eu4 dev diary is a perfect example,they got some 400+ "respectful" disagreements on that one. Now more threads follow and they just get : boom banished.

Dude, "Golden Century" gave us pirates and more control and features for colonies. That's literally everything I care about in that EP. Now, if you want steaming piles of garbage, consider "Third Rome" or the initial Missionary change after "Dharma". I was so butt hurt about that one. It literally ruined the game, but THANK GOD they listened and fixed that.

What you guys need to understand is that we love your games,and we don't want to see them go down the drain with these new approaches that you have chosen. Your player base is concerned and the solution won't be to silence them. Now you can put a lock on this one as well.

The only one I've seen go out of control is "Stellaris" and its "toxicity" ban, which is code for "any criticism directed at Moderator or Developer conduct".

 

[Mikhail_Mengsk]

Apsec, the premiere and only lay authority on all things "Stellaris", summed it up quite nicely in a video where Paradox could not touch it. The content itself is fantastic, and I actually think the new system is way cooler than the old building tiles (as well as making it look like a planet has more than twenty-five creatures). However, Apsec hit it spot on the nose when he said it needed more time to cook. They simply pushed the thing out the door way too fast. They should have waited until a few days before Christmas.

Yep, Le Guin is absolutely awesome, i love how meaningful the economy is now.

 

[Bearjuden]

Wait, does that mean we have to stop joking about killing babies and marrying sisters on the CK2 forums?

Nah, just get more brazen with what you talk about in cafes and bookstores. What's the true value in a cup of joe if it doesn't come with an askance glance or two?

Seriously though, I've not seen anything like what is being described. The forums are basically nothing but people calling for improvements and changes, that's basically the entire point...if PDX had gone North Korea Mode, wouldn't everyone just be singing their praises?

 

[OldmansHQ]

We're not silencing anyone. What we do is try to maintain civility.

What we do with the more heavy handed moderation is trying to keep the discussion focused by sticking to specific threads like the [Megathread] Golden Century - is this it? -thread for example.

There is no gain for anyone to have every thread in the forum just be a copy paste of the previous one. We understand the concerns people have with Golden Century without listening to the same argument over and over for weeks. The hostility also scares away posters that wants to discuss other things. I know that for a bunch of people Golden Century is the most important thing in the world right now, and that nothing else is worth discussing. But if someone wants to talk about something else they must be allowed to do so.

I'm sorry, sir, but that is bullshit. I've had a lengthy chat with two mods regarding a post of mine - two posts actually, one neither informative nor funny, plain offtopic, and the other lengthy and thoughtful - that were shoved into that megathread and one was subsequently deleted for quoting someone other than me who broke the rules. Guess which one of the two got the axe? Even though the quote could have easily been edited out and the post would still be sensible, the new reason for it to remain deleted was that it was offtopic. My post got shoved into a megathread and was ultimately deleted for offtopic, meanwhile the other worthless post is still there. Let that sink in. I've been contacted by people choose NOT to post because they are scared that their time typing will be wasted.

For goodness' sake, I respect the niche games that you provide, I rooted for you back when you crawled away into Siberia as Muscovy, but this is bull. I've been here long enough to see the human element like when Johan lashed out, or Groogy. But no one has doubts about how sterilised this forum is, or the corporate nurturing of "community" that you do here.

 

[Eldoran]

I once posted in a similiar thread and got an infringement cause i commented about a mod decision...i mean most of this thread is against the forum rules...i am mainly on the side of reasoning and calming down the angry mob but i got the one or another post banned. I once got a thread of mine closed without notice and asked in another thread that the mod would pm me since i did not know who did it. I did just mentioned that a thread was closed and i did not agree with it and wanted to talk about...nothing more...and then i got an infringement for that. I mean seriously....so...i do not think that they gone north korea mode, but that some mods have to think twice before acting and calm a bit down...there is a german youtuber with a bunch of videos about his contact with the mods here...and while i think he is a bit whinny and got a clash with him myself, he has some valid points

 

[wthomas]

I once posted that I don't like their DLC policy and PDS had me and my family kidnapped, tortured, and re-educated. Also, I'm pretty sure I saw them developing WMDs in the room next to where we were being held.

But the point is, now I love their DLC! Win-Win.

 

[Eldoran]

I once posted that I don't like their DLC policy and PDS had me and my family kidnapped, tortured, and re-educated. Also, I'm pretty sure I saw them developing WMDs in the room next to where we were being held.

But the point is, now I love their DLC! Win-Win.

Long live great Eternal Leader Frederik Wester and the Supreme Leader Ebba Ljungerud.

But on Topic. There is sth to belearned on both sides of the Argument. While player comments can be quite toxic, not every snarky argument is toxic and must be moderated. You cann call an agument bullshit or an poster full of bullshit. And i would argue the first is totaly fine cause i do that even in real eye to eye discussions. The second is an insult and must not be deemed appropriate in any circumstance.

 

[Ixal]

I am now in my 3rd month of probabtion because I said that unless PDX does bad DLCs on purpose they cant magically raise the quality without compromising like taking more time or pull people from other projects.

I never tought that someone would actually think Paradox does it on purpose.
Only that the mods used that as an excuse for banning me during the Golden Century scare.

When people are dissatisfied with what Oaradox does the mods here are actively looking for any excuse to silence people it seems.

 

[Eldoran]

I am now in my 3rd month of probabtion because I said that unless PDX does bad DLCs on purpose they cant magically raise the quality without compromising like taking more time or pull people from other projects.

I never tought that someone would actually think Paradox does it on purpose.
Only that the mods used that as an excuse for banning me during the Golden Century scare.

When people are dissatisfied with what Oaradox does the mods here are actively looking for any excuse to silence people it seems.

What is a golden century scare....havent followed the eu4 forum for some time...i mean i know the dlc but whats the complaint about it...i mean its pretty non intusive if you havent bought it and the features seem nice to have...i mean thats as good as it can get imo...

 

[Ixal]

What is a golden century scare....havent followed the eu4 forum for some time...i mean i know the dlc but whats the complaint about it...i mean its pretty non intusive if you havent bought it and the features seem nice to have...i mean thats as good as it can get imo...

The DLC was not really received very well. The map changes in Iberia were ugly and most effort of the "Iberian DLC" was focused on anything but Iberia like the Carribean or pirates while Portugal didnt even get new ideas.
Some stuff was even completely ahistorical like expelling minorities which Spain never did and actually disallowed or silly like having the Jesuite holy order right from the start even though forming them is an in game event later.
This is in addition to the complains about 3-button feature designs.

The response from PDX, or at least the mods, was to ban everyone they could get away with for the tiniest reasons to silence negative voices. What couldnt get banned was shuffled into a megathread somewhere in the middle so no one sees it.

 

[Eldoran]

The DLC was not really received very well. The map changes in Iberia were ugly and most effort of the "Iberian DLC" was focused on anything but Iberia like the Carribean or pirates while Portugal didnt even get new ideas.
Some stuff was even completely ahistorical like expelling minorities which Spain never did and actually disallowed or silly like having the Jesuite holy order right from the start even though forming them is an in game event later.
This is in addition to the complains about 3-button feature designs.

The response from PDX, or at least the mods, was to ban everyone they could get away with for the tiniest reasons to silence negative voices. What couldnt get banned was shuffled into a megathread somewhere in the middle so no one sees it.

Ok but in my experience the criticism raised in such case is often not very constructive and in many cases childish and insulting. So idk. Maybe most of what the mods did may were justified. But there is argubly s subset of threads and comments that are critical, snarky and/or slightly OT which get banned while they shouldnt. And these edge cases are which makes bad pr. And i would encourage mods to reflect on themselves if they sometimes are a bit too close to some decisions and need to take a step back in order to evaluate the posts correctly


Towards the eu4 dlc. I really cant see why it should deserve so much hate....stellaris 2.2 was a broken release and its still only slightly better with beta 2.2.4. Thst deserves criticism. But golden centruy might no be everybodys cup of tee but its decent and it didnt broke eu4 in a meaningful way.

 

[BeyondExpectation]

Towards the eu4 dlc. I really cant see why it should deserve so much hate....stellaris 2.2 was a broken release and its still only slightly better with beta 2.2.4. Thst deserves criticism. But golden centruy might no be everybodys cup of tee but its decent and it didnt broke eu4 in a meaningful way.

Golden Century didn't break EU4 because it was a DLC, not a patch, and changed very little. The complaining exploded then because people had been grumbling for a long time about the three buttons DLC style, and the lack of good DLC in EU4, and Golden Century was exhibited the former as a record sized proportion of it due to lack of other content, and had many historical accuracy problems that got the history buffs to rage as well. It's not that the anger was equal to the lack of quaility; I'm just explaining the obvious reasons that it was then that people's pent up annoyance exploded.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Ok but in my experience the criticism raised in such case is often not very constructive and in many cases childish and insulting. So idk. Maybe most of what the mods did may were justified. But there is argubly s subset of threads and comments that are critical, snarky and/or slightly OT which get banned while they shouldnt. And these edge cases are which makes bad pr. And i would encourage mods to reflect on themselves if they sometimes are a bit too close to some decisions and need to take a step back in order to evaluate the posts correctly


Towards the eu4 dlc. I really cant see why it should deserve so much hate....stellaris 2.2 was a broken release and its still only slightly better with beta 2.2.4. Thst deserves criticism. But golden centruy might no be everybodys cup of tee but its decent and it didnt broke eu4 in a meaningful way.

Golden century DLC is largely meaningless. The recent patch cycles, however, have been atrocious in terms of their impact on gameplay. Devs offered incoherent justifications for the changes actually put in the game, which now punishes good play via skill equalization and actively undermines the originally stated design goal for EU 4.

It's not reasonable to do something like "okay, here is our data based on idea group pick rate, one of the factors we used to balance them", then proceed to buff top 10 picks, ignore top 5 picks, and nerf picks that aren't even in the top half of idea groups chosen. But that's exactly what they did. Whatever reasoning they *actually* used was never stated.

Same goes for the previous corruption change, and the disingenuous assertion that trade companies needed to be buffed in order to provide incentive to conquer trade company land. Such a comment came from a dev, and was so far gone from the reality of pre-1.26 gameplay in EU 4 that it was hard to believe at first. Devs said this while elite players were already deliberately moving their capital out of Asia to use TCs before the buff :/.

Then they do ticky tack stuff like make undocumented changes blocking Asian nations from reasonably moving their capital to go with this degenerate incentive interaction between corruption/TC and wonder why the whole thing is so heavily panned.

It's not the DLC, aside from the usual fact that DLC is prioritized over functionality routinely (still multiple bugs 3+ years old in EU 4, right now). The reason for the worst reviews in these games comes from bad accompanying patches in nearly every case. DLC is at fault only tangentially, in that it has apparently cut into emphasis on quality.

 

[TurtleShroom]

Golden century DLC is largely meaningless. The recent patch cycles, however, have been atrocious in terms of their impact on gameplay. Devs offered incoherent justifications for the changes actually put in the game, which now punishes good play via skill equalization and actively undermines the originally stated design goal for EU 4.[/url]

I fully agree that, since Dharma, Paradox seems like they want to punish players for playing in a certain way.

Corruption is an insanely OP punishment with the only drawback being reduced Unrest. Worse, there are no Events or means you can take to crush it quickly, meaning you have to spend out the nose for fifty years to even halve it.

That said, it's not hopeless. I'm glad EU4's developers recanted that gosh-awful Missionary ban. That particular one angered me so much that I gave the second negative review I had ever handed out to a Paradox title.

Then they do ticky tack stuff like make undocumented changes blocking Asian nations from reasonably moving their capital to go with this degenerate incentive interaction between corruption/TC and wonder why the whole thing is so heavily panned.[/url]

I didn't know that ever occured. You'd think an Asian country could use Trade Companies in India unless they are based in India. Sure, Asian countries shouldn't take advantage of Trade Companies in the Phillipines or whatever, but India? I don't get the logic.

The reason for the worst reviews in these games comes from bad accompanying patches in nearly every case. DLC is at fault only tangentially, in that it has apparently cut into emphasis on quality.

EU4 is the only Paradox game that is going down the tubes. CK2's last expansion and patches were better defined as an Expansion Pack than mere Downloadable Content. "Stellaris" did a phenomenal job inspite of its bugs.

Why is EU4 the only game churning out garbage?