Ticking warscore in Westerosi civil wars

[DorlasAnther]

I will explain what I mean with example: During Feast for Crows start, Stannis controlls parts of Stormlands and has big chance of conquering whole North. That is 1,5 out of 9 areas of Westeros.
Yet Tommen Baratheon gets ticking warscore for controlling all areas under the Iron Throne and he could win without fighting single fight, even after de facto losing one of those 9 areas to Stannis.
Why is that even a thing?

In normal CK2, when rebels attack their liege for someone´s claim for his kingdom, it is war where one realm attacks the other (even though they are both part of one kingdom). When defender controlls all of his lands for long time, it is only logical that he slowly gets closer to winning (and it is awesome, as there is no need for him to attack those, who are attacking him for his title...after all, he is defending his lands, if he manages to do so, he should get some credit for it).
But in GoT Mod, everything fractures, if there is civil war. So, for example, Seven Kingdoms/Iron Throne/Westeros/whatever you want to call it cease to be one kingdom for purpose of the game, and become bunch of independent lands, allied to one of 2 fighting sides. Because of this, land of defender shrinks and (as it is in case of Tommen) is basically only Crownlands. And he gets ticking warscore for controlling one of 9 areas of whole kingdom. Even if it were the only part he owns, it would mean nothing. He controlls the Iron Throne and he is slowly winning, because he is able to defend his whole land.

I suggest to remove ticking warscore for claimant wars, because it affects warscore in unrealistic way.

 

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I will explain what I mean with example: During Feast for Crows start, Stannis controlls parts of Stormlands and has big chance of conquering whole North. That is 1,5 out of 9 areas of Westeros.
Yet Tommen Baratheon gets ticking warscore for controlling all areas under the Iron Throne and he could win without fighting single fight, even after de facto losing one of those 9 areas to Stannis.
Why is that even a thing?

Because Tommen is winning. Stannis has basically given up on beating Tommen in battle and has gone to the Wall to prove how he is Azor Ahai. While he controls the Stormlands Storms End is the only thing people are worried about because the lords of the Stormlands are disorginised and he only has the mountain tribes on his side in the North and he has very little troops after the Battle of the Blackwater while Tomman has the Rock and the Reach behind him.
There should be ticking war score because if there is a stalemate or if they are already seiged all over or there is a war between people who are far apart like the Crownlands and the Iron Isles it just gets annoying to deal with.

 

[DorlasAnther]

Because Tommen is winning. Stannis has basically given up on beating Tommen in battle and has gone to the Wall to prove how he is Azor Ahai. While he controls the Stormlands Storms End is the only thing people are worried about because the lords of the Stormlands are disorginised and he only has the mountain tribes on his side in the North and he has very little troops after the Battle of the Blackwater while Tomman has the Rock and the Reach behind him.
There should be ticking war score because if there is a stalemate or if they are already seiged all over or there is a war between people who are far apart like the Crownlands and the Iron Isles it just gets annoying to deal with.

Problem is that Tommen could win without even going north of the Neck. Stannis could controll North (also, why is he not Emperor rank? In book, Jon would be his vassal, not his equal, if he ever conquered Winterfell and Jon wasn´t honorable to point of stupidity) and still lose everything to Tommen, because Tommen holds Crownlands.
My point is that while GoT Mod has changed vassal - liege relations in wars, it has not changed how wars work and it could lead to situations where claimants on the throne give up and lose everything with armies in field and their lands still unconquered.
Stannis was still willing to fight after he lost in Blackwater, even though he only had few islands around Dragonstone. And there he could controll North and still give up, because he doesn´t have enough forces to beat Tommen.

 

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Problem is that Tommen could win without even going north of the Neck. Stannis could controll North (also, why is he not Emperor rank? In book, Jon would be his vassal, not his equal, if he ever conquered Winterfell and Jon wasn´t honorable to point of stupidity) and still lose everything to Tommen, because Tommen holds Crownlands.
My point is that while GoT Mod has changed vassal - liege relations in wars, it has not changed how wars work and it could lead to situations where claimants on the throne give up and lose everything with armies in field and their lands still unconquered.
Stannis was still willing to fight after he lost in Blackwater, even though he only had few islands around Dragonstone. And there he could controll North and still give up, because he doesn´t have enough forces to beat Tommen.

I understand from a story view, Stannis is very stubborn, but from a gameplay point of view ticking warscore decrease the amount of drawn out wars. I'm not saying it shouldn't be tweaked, like it go really slowly early on but increase in speed as the war goes on or just have a character trait called stubborn that stops ticking warscore and means that some character will only surrender at 100%.