Tinto Maps #20 The Steppes Feedback

[Pavía]

Hello, and welcome one more week to another Tinto Maps Feedback post! Today, we will be reviewing the region of the Steppes, before tomorrow's look at the Golden Horde and Horde-related content in Tinto Flavour. Let's start with the list of changes, as usual:

Spoiler: List of Changes

ADDITIONS

Added the following:

• Locations (13)
  • Adalaga
  • Chuhuiv
  • Hovtva
  • Kolomak
  • Lutava
  • Opishnya
  • Perekop
  • Solkhat
  • Ternivka
  • Vilshana
  • Yahotyn
  • Yaroslavka
  • Zmiiv
• Provinces
  • Donetsk
  • Nizhyn
• Areas
  • Kursk
• Religions
  • Čimarii Jüla (mari_paganism)
  • Inmarism (udmurt_paganism)
  • Važesköm (komi_paganism)
  • Samoyedic Shamanism (samoyedic_paganism)
• Dynamic Names
  • Added some Dynamic Names

CORRECTIONS

Renamed the following:

• Locations (only corrections. Additionally renamed all location to standardized form):
  • Ak-Mechet to Aqmecit
  • Aqmescit to Qarasuvbazar
  • Berezivka to Aqmecit
  • Brovary to Desnyanskyi Horodok
  • Chaplynka to Qalançaq
  • Chervonyi Mayak to Tavan
  • Henichesk to Enice
  • Holyi Pereviz to Ordu Bazar
  • Hornostaivka to Rohat Kermen
  • Kherson to Oleshia
  • Lykhivka to Myshuryn Rih
  • Nova Odesa to Argamakli Sarai
  • Ochakov to Dashev
  • Orzhytsya to Horoshino
  • Primorsko-Akhtarsk to Akhtar
  • Pyatigorsk to Yessentuq
  • Ripky to Liubech
  • Romny to Romen
  • Shevelivka to Vovchansk
  • Starogorodskaya to Oster
  • Unenezh to Nizhyn
  • Vasylivka to Kinskie
  • Velyka Bilozerka to Kuchugur
  • Veselynove to Balikley
  • Voznesensk to Sokolyts
• Provinces - only corrections. Additionally, renamed all of them to a standardized form:
  • Chaplynka to Qalançaq
  • Kalay to Or Qapi
  • Kherson to Oleshia
  • Krasnohrad to Karlivka
  • Luhansk to Luhan
  • Melitopol to Berda
  • Novgorod Seversky to Novhorod Siverskyi
  • Ochakov to Boh
  • Odessa to Khadjibey
  • Posad to Kalmius
  • Primorsko Akhtarsk to Akhtar
  • Starodub Seversky to Starodub Siverskyi
  • Zvenigorod Seversky to Zvenihorod Siverskyi
• Areas - only corrections. Additionally, renamed all of them to a standardized form:
  • Eastern Ukraine to Left Bank Ukraine
  • Posad to Pryazovia
  • Western Ukraine to Right Bank Ukraine

Raw Goods

• Changed some Raw Goods as suggested

Terrain and Vegetation

• Total Review

Pops

• Completely reviewed population numbers
• Added some minorities, currently WIP

In this review, we focused a lot on pops, as they were not in line with the usual benchmark we have for most of the regions. You might notice a lot of changes in the cultural and religious maps, therefore. However, there are still some loose ends, so we're currently working towards adding some more minorities here and there. Thus, any additional feedback on this matter will be appreciated, as we will be able to implement stuff quickly from this feedback review.

And here you have the maps:

Countries:

Dynasties:

Country Ranks & Government Types:

Societies of Pops:

Locations:

Provinces:

Areas:

Terrain:

Development:

Harbors:

Cultures:

Some cultural minorities have already been added and present here and there, and more work is ongoing here.

Languages:

Common language and court language.

Religions:

This now looks much nicer, with a Tengrist majority in most of the Horde, some more Folk religions added, minorities here and there, etc.

Raw Materials:

Markets:

And that's all for today! Remember that this is this week's schedule:

• Tuesday -> Tinto Flavour about the Golden Horde
• Wednesday -> Tinto Talks about Islam
• Thursday -> Fourth ‘Behind the Scenes’ video!
• Friday -> Tinto Flavour about the Ottomans and the Rise of the Turks situation!

And also remember, you can wishlist Europa Universalis V now! Cheers!

 

[Pavía]

Pavia, please, post more detailed location maps.
I can hardly read those names.

I will sum up possible corrections here.

Any specific area?

 

[Pavía]

Could I also ask you to post here screenshots of locations, provinces, areas and raw goods maps of Pontic-Azov Steppe and Southern part of Ruthenia?
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I am trying to promote the game in Ukrainian segments of different platforms and I always have to patch the map from 4 different TMs, or use low-res cuts from World maps of videos. It would be nice to have these four as they are the most granular and particularly catchy and interesting to people.
Thanks!

Sure:

 

[Pavía]

Also the Urals

Like this?:

 

[Pavía]

Also, why have the location names not been changed? There were a lot of proposals, but I still see soviet era cities

Proletarsk literally means Proletariat - soviet social class

Why was it not changed?

We're aware; we've been trying to prioritize the most relevant stuff, and come back for additional feedback, but this is already booked to be fixed in a few days.

 

[Pavía]

@Pavía must all feedback from the original Tinto Maps be reposted here, because it was clearly overlooked?

That's not going to be useful. What would be acceptable is, if you want, a summary post on what you consider most relevant to prioritize.

 

[Pavía]

Development is mostly bs and the devs yet have to explain what exactly it represents and how it is calculated. My impression is that they designed it around gameplay, much less around historic reality. Sarai should most definetly outshine most of Europe.

Kazan was one of the richest areas of the Golden Horde. Why is it red compared to neighbouring areas?
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Sviyazhsk, a city that was not even built at this date, has more development than Kazan!

Why no development in the capital region?
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Forwarded so we can address some of the issues with development, thanks!

 

[Pavía]

Resources seem very wrong too in the Donbass-Don area and in Zaporizhya
Iron, Mercury and gold, copper should be present in the region considering that there is Coal too in Don region when it was mined alot later aswell.

Source: NATO's Energy Security Centre of Excellence
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A note on this: we just consider resources that were already exploited before 1836. Mentioning it because a lot of the mineral resources of Ukraine only started to be extracted after the Industrialization of the region started.

 

[Pavía]

Here are links to my and @ibvfteh suggestions on locations summarised and highly accepted by others.

Caucasus:


Volga Bulgaria:


Volga-Don:


Ukrainian Steppe:


The Great Meadow:



Siberia 1:
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Siberia 2:
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1. Cultures, Ture must be much more Erzya and Moksha people, much more Mari people, Slavic people in the Golden Horde, and non-Slavic Mari in Muscovy
2. Historical areas of Volga Bulgaria, Chervleny Yar, Lower Don (incorrectly located, currently named Azov area) should be represented
3. Development changes
4. Naming changes

Thanks to both, appreciated!

 

[Pavía]

Players or AI should have a chance to exploit some of the mines ahead of time, taking into account that they may industrialize their country earlier.

This is not the design we're following, as we already mentioned several times.

 

[Pavía]

Will tomorrow's Tinto flavor include info on cossacks?

No, that will be in a future Tinto Flavour; but there's Cossack-related flavour content in the game.