ToT (or lack thereof)

[Sharur]

If I, as Spain, annex Portugal before the ToT goes into effect, will it still go through? (and vice versa, not that it'd ever happen?)

Along the same lines, if I annex Portugal or Spain with, say, France, then what happens to the ToT?

Thanks.

 

[State Machine]

I think ToT will occur regardless. The religious events in EU seem to have a count down that occurs no matter what (even though the specific year does vary a little).

 

[Emre Yigit]

I think there was a thread on this a while back, to the effect that there would be no ToT -> therefore no Calvin -> no Trent -> no EoT.

 

[State Machine]

EU II or EU I?

 

[unmerged(3627)]

The ToT fails to occur if either Spain or Portugal don't exist, or aren't Catholic. Doesn't have any effect on the other religious events, so far as I know.

If you're playing the most recent IGC this will never happen, because the Moguls are busy colonising stuff right from day 1, and ToT usually occurs around June 1492 - you won't have time to annex them, and certainly no chance of going Protestant. If you're playing the original GC, neither one can be annexed anyway ... but someone did post about the time they took Portugal to the protestant faith, and Tordesillas never occurred.

 

[Agelastus]

For some reason the absence of the ToT does seem to prevent the Edict of Tolerence......the first time I saw this come up, that's mostly what the player in question was complaining of, since the Dutch had been revolting for a hundred and fifty years!

 

[BiB]

Well, EoT ends the ToT. Which is quite hard if it doesn't exist

 

[Agelastus]

Originally posted by BiB
Well, EoT ends the ToT. Which is quite hard if it doesn't exist

True, but the countdown to the Edict is triggered by the Council of Trent, so.........and it lets all Catholics and Protestants have RMs, vassalisations etc.

 

[BiB]

I don't mind much, comes way too soon anyway

 

[Sharur]

I am playing the most recent IGC, and I did annex Portugal, they attacked me in late 1492 (and I'd been planning on attacking them! How convenient!), and I annexed them a year or so later. So you're saying the Dutch will revolt forever? *ulp* The currently all-Spanish lowlands are in trouble...

 

[Sharur]

An update on that... I checked on the colonization screen to see if ToT was in effect, and the answer is no... however, it says on the Religion screen that the Reformation is coming.

 

[unmerged(3627)]

Originally posted by Agelastus
For some reason the absence of the ToT does seem to prevent the Edict of Tolerence......the first time I saw this come up, that's mostly what the player in question was complaining of, since the Dutch had been revolting for a hundred and fifty years!

Fair enough. It shouldn't do though ... the EoT is a lot more than just nullifying Tordesillas, even if it does come too soon. It should follow the Council of Trent, whatever else is going on.

 

[Agelastus]

Originally posted by Heyesey
Fair enough. It shouldn't do though ... the EoT is a lot more than just nullifying Tordesillas, even if it does come too soon. It should follow the Council of Trent, whatever else is going on.

It is strange that the council of Trent triggers the countdown to it, but it needs the ToT in effect to enact it. But then it is slightly unusual in that it affects items triggered by two different event paths.