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Yeah that's pretty brutal. Was the guy mentally ill or trying to commit suicide? Looks like everyone was trying to pull him or talk him down.
I can imagine that addind catenary in CiM2 is not so easy, so it is the reasdon, why we still won't have it (and also did not have it in CiM1 and Traffic Giant), because you have to set, where the support for wires can be placed, otherwise it looks like trolleybuses put in CiM1. I have only german DLC with them, but I was not able to build even short line with OK looking catenary. It was always in corssings in the middle of street etc.
I was talking about the groundpowered trams in he's picture, but i see that i could have expressed myself a bit different
Well, im talking about the trams WITHOUT catenary... I could have phrased my answer better but you thought trams without overhead wires we're trams with catenary, therefore your pictures, but really its the opposite.
I must admit, I'm kind of disappointed that trams have no catenary in CiM2 since I love games with a certain amount of realism to them. On the other hand, tram catenaries in most cities I have seen are held in place by connecting support wires between buildings on each street side which would make the implementation rather complex.
Still, if the developers would decide to add tram catenaries after all it'd still be nice.
Cheers, Niko
Still, if the developers would decide to add tram catenaries after all it'd still be nice.
Cheers, Niko
They can be. Trolley wires can be around 3 metres away from the original trolleybuses' route, just like when you place a trolley stop next to a parking lane in CIM2. So, tram can be in the middle and trolley a few metres away
The choice of making trams without catenary is by design. Its easier for us, players, to identify where are trolleys and where are trams like this. Otherwise it could be confusing.
You can always, of course, make both, tram tracks and wires on top of the tracks, if you want more realism.
You can always, of course, make both, tram tracks and wires on top of the tracks, if you want more realism.
I've been missing overhead wires too. The trams featured in CiM2 do use canternary, as they all have pantographs. In my opinion it looks kinda daft to see the trams with it's pantograph up for no use. I don't know if there's a reason to leave this out, but I would appreciate overhead wires being included in the game. Something similar to the Trolley with a single wire would work for me, maybe with the addition of these type of poles for the avenues?
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It being optional is a relatively easy compromise. This is purely aesthetic, so you can can keep trams tracks to be the only requirement to run trams as it is now, just add catenary as an added infrastructure build tool with no real function, problem solved and it would easy to implement without changing the code for trams.
Some trams shared overhead with trolleybuses in London, the trams used trolly poles that ran on the positive trolleybus wire. This would not have been possible if the trams had used modern pantographs!
Some London trams also used the 'conduit' system for current collection this looked superficially like a third rail.
See for details: http://dewi.ca/trains/conduit/tracks.html
Some London trams also used the 'conduit' system for current collection this looked superficially like a third rail.
See for details: http://dewi.ca/trains/conduit/tracks.html
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Third rail is ugly .. and the old technique is dangerous, if there is always voltage on the track. I like the Idea with the optional catenarys, but I would implement it in the Tram-Infrastructure and tracks and catenary will be build "in one step". And in the options you can enable or disable the catenary.
The conduit system used in London was certainly NOT dangerous, the live conductor was safely mounted at the bottom of the conduit. The system was in use in London for over 50 years and did not ever cause any safety problems!
It certainly was not ugly, it was used in districts where the overhead lines where considered to be unacceptably visually intrusive.
Similar systems were also used in both New York City and Washington DC for the same reasons that it was used in London.
The main downside of the system was it's cost, much higher that standard overhead.
I really don't read up about this system in London, so I added "if there is always voltage on the track." to make it clear. In Berlin for example they tested more than one system, voltrage on the two rails, third rail, but many people and especially horses at that time died. And it is -my- opinion, when I say it is ugly, don't feel attacked by that. Tramways without catenarys look unaesthetic in my eyes, because I grew up with catenarys, to see this long train on the street without something overhead looks just "false".
Tram wires would be really nice to have... I always thought it looked odd without any wires. I don't think the third rail option holds any water because obviously all the trams in CIM2 use overhead wires, since they have pantographs.
I agree with this, I would like to see overhead wires for trams, but this would cause a conflict with trolleybus wires.
Pantographs on trams are incompatible with trolley wires, they would cause a short circuit! If trams share overhead with trolleybuses they would need to be fitted with trolley poles. Now, that would be interesting!
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Trams only need one wire, trolleys need two. That is not a real problem. Tram and Trolley crossing look like this or this. That would cause a really good challenge, because you can't run tram and trolley on one track, just parallel. If CO finally would implement the possibility to stop a tram on stops from the second lane, that would be awesome.
I really wish they'd add catenaries for trams. It always feels like something's missing when I admire my tram network from the ground level.