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OK, folks, since we have finished the TUE/THU
Long Term and if you still have some spare time
on Tuesday and Thursday to test the Alternative
'39 Scenario with the startdate - May 1st, 1939
show up tomorrow on November 16th at the
usual time - 18:00 Central European in the
HOI2 Channel of Vnet.

After we had done the testgame on Monday
and Tuesday this week I made some significant
changes and suggest to replay from the
beginning with Mr. Sljivovic as Germany,
Geofactor as Poland, me as France or UK
and Axis Commander as USSR.

If we have more volunteers to participate
we'll have human Belgium, Netherlands and
maybe Finland to oppose the Soviets
 
Scenario Description

Two objectives of this scenario:

1) Start closer to the Danzig event and
still give players enough time to reorganize
their armies before the war;
2) Make some things self balanced by the
scenario mechanism itself instead of
resorting to unnatural restrictions like
artificial rules forbidding some or other
strategic and tactical moves.

What is different in this scenario as
opposed to the regular Paradox' 1939.


Germany

1. Siegfriedstellung, the defensive line in
Germany, opposite the French Maginot line,
for serving the corresponding purpose has
been reinforced.
2. In order to delay Allied invasion in the
West the efficiency of coastal forts under German
control has been increased from 100 to 150 %.
3. For the same purpose several more coastal
forts have been added in France, Italy, Yugoslavia
and Greece.
4. All other nations still have the coastal forts
efficiency - 100 %.


Scandinavia

1. Mannergheim Line in Finland has been extended.
2. In order to make it really hard for Soviets to conquer
the country the land forts efficiency for Finland has
been increased from 100 to 150 %.
3. All other nations have the land forts efficiency
decreased from 100 to 80 %. Now level 10 forts are
still formidable obstacle but not impenetrable.
3. A lot more deposits of rare materials have been
added in Norway to make the country more attractive
for Germans and even worth it to conquer her.


USSR

1. The dissent in the Soviet Union is 0 %. Stalin's
purges in the 1930th could not have caused dissent
increase because all political opponents were
either murdered or imprisoned and those who
remained alive were happy builders of the bright
communist future in their country.


Turkey

1. In order to prevent a possible ahistorical Soviet or
Axis aggression on the nation a few land/coastal forts
have been added in Turkey.
2. For the same purpose the terrain in the Turkish
province of Kars has been converted into mountains.


Spain

1. In order to prevent a possible ahistorical Axis
aggression on the nation a few land/coastal forts
have been added in Spain.
2. Spain has been made a pacifist, i.e. Spain AI
historically won't join any coalition.


Latin America

1. Most of the Latin American nations including
Brazil and Argentina have been made historically
reluctant to join any Coalition.


Far East

1. Nat. China is not hopeless at all. In this
scenario Japan is not supposed to conquer the
whole country. The Japanese historically just
bogged down in China till 1945 what allowed
the Soviet Union to avoid a possible Japanese
aggression in the East and actually saved
the USSR in WWII. Anyway it is still possible
for Japan to beat China as well as it is now
possible for Chinese to drive Japanese invaders
from the continent. Expect a stalemate
between Nat. China and Japan in the beginning
and it is going to take months till one side will
be able to break it.
2. If conquered by Japan and released as
a puppet Nat. China is not prone to send exp.
forces to Japan or Nazi Germany.
3. The puppets of Japan, - Manchukuo and
Mengkukuo, are not going to send any exp.
forces to Japanese, they can be only MCed.
Same for Siam when she sides with Japan.


Poland

1. Poland is much stronger in this scenario.
The tripled Polish panzertruppen as opposed to
the regular Paradox' 1939 for example, what
was suggested by Geofactor. If both Germany
and Poland have same level of MP experience
Germany can easily win the Polish campaign.
But if a Poland is more experienced than an
opponent playing Germany outcome of the
campaign is unpredictable.


Egypt

In this scenario Egypt is not a part of the
British colonial empire but u puppet of Britain
because the Egyptians were historically granted
nominal independence by Great Britain in February
1922, which nevertheless retained control over
Egyptian foreign affairs and defense, the Suez
Canal, and Sudan (which Egypt had ruled until the
British occupation). The British also insisted on the
maintenance of the Capitulations, the system of
special laws and courts that applied to foreigners.


General Stuff

1. The preliminary scenario name is Der Kampf um Lebensraum.
2. Although the Scenario start date is May 1st, 1939
next DP sliders move can be made on April 30, 1940.
This is valid for all nations without an exeption.
3. This scenario is based on the principle - Superior
quality of Axis vs Sheer numbers of Allies and Communists.
4. This scenario consists of only 1 eug-file so far and
compatible with any checksum. But since we need
events unlocking some units we'll have to develop a
multi-file system for this scenario at some point
 
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Hmmm. No dissent for killing all those filthy Russian traitors. I'll be there, gotta see this one. SE.
 
Maybe you would just do better to migrate to CORE?

Is Germany going to receive a boost in the Materials>>??? Seems you have alot of things that making it harder for the Axis, when they are clearly the disadvantaged nations.. Material and Man power wise.


My direct thought is that you have taken the opportunity war away from the Axis, what is the point for them to go on costly offensvise now? Axis would be better to conquer and hold what they can.. Where is the incentive to Remove Russia? Or to incur North Africa?

Sorry if i have missed something, just seems to me that you have this in a position were it spells inevitable doom for the Axis. If you think a few forts here and there can stop someone then i assure you that you are greatly mistaken, forts aren't worth the paper there planned on with a decent air strategy, and they become completely worthless if a vmissile heads there way.

Anyway ill shut up, and continue to read this thread, should be interesting. I would sign up to this game but i dunno what time use play? Knowing SE its like 2am my time or something :confused: :eek:o :eek:o
 
Agg he won't join us, he's needs his ugly sleep more than me. But I doubt that he won't stop posting random meaningless shit in the forum. BTW. Mighty I already told you that I don't like the look of CORE, so why would I join a CORE game? Also you should look at the Title of the post. Key words are 'TESTING GROUP!' This is in no-way permanent, it is a hypathetical what if scenario that we are trialing and error-ing. I'm sure that improvements and altercations will be made at a later date. We start at 3am our time Mighty if you are interested in participating. SE.
 
few comments.....
played as germany



1. i found my divs spread out all over germany. I know every player likes his own setup. why not put all divs in berlin and let the player where to put them. would make things muchs easier.

2. way too much units way too much MP. Less Inf I say subtract roughly 18 divs of inf, 12 divs of moutaineers, 24 divs of guards, 4 divs of CSair, 4 divs of Tacs, 2 divs of air transports 5 divs of subs, 3 divs of naval bombers.

3. germany too high advanced in some techs..... mechs, 41 inf, and fighter2 at the same time didnt feel right to me.
yet again germany was missing important air doctrines

4. the tank weapon felt underdeveloped in my opion add a few divs there

5. keep germany spy free and remove german spies from other countrys
i had 12! spies in france

6. find a way to keep those polish divs out of warsaw. i.e. lock them or have poland only ai controlled. i find the idea of making poland playable for humans great but Poles just can't win against germany. we all know that human polish troops "naturally" retreat to warsaw.

very good work though. got right down to the action. vichy in march 40 with roughly 1000mp losses is below average in my opinion. still i think germany is a bid overpowerd.

i'd like to test this again as UK

cheers
ss
 
Germany

Simon Stylite said:

1. i found my divs spread out all over germany... why not put all divs in berlin and let the player where to put them. would make things muchs easier.
Click to expand...

Have you ever seen a scenario by Paradox where major nations have
their entire armies initially gathered in the capitals?


Simon Stylite said:

I know every player likes his own setup.
Click to expand...

That's the point, let every player do set up his own way
with the troops located where they are in the beginning.


Simon Stylite said:

2. way too much units way too much MP. Less Inf I say subtract roughly 18 divs of inf, 12 divs of moutaineers, 24 divs of guards, 4 divs of CSair, 4 divs of Tacs, 2 divs of air transports 5 divs of subs, 3 divs of naval bombers.
Click to expand...

I doubt the number of German units should be reduced to this extent
suggested by you. Don't forget how many Soviet divisions Wermacht
going to face at some point. Anyway some lowering of quality of
some German infantry divisions and perhaps air units could be done.


Simon Stylite said:

3. germany too high advanced in some techs..... mechs, 41 inf, and fighter2 at the same time didnt feel right to me.
Click to expand...

This is to compensate Germany for the relatively small numbers of her
army as opposed to the Allies and Soviets.



Simon Stylite said:

4. the tank weapon felt underdeveloped in my opion add a few divs there
Click to expand...

Germany historically didn't have numerical superiority in tanks neither
the quality of the German tanks was superior to that of the Soviets
and French in 1939.


Simon Stylite said:

6. find a way to keep those polish divs out of warsaw. i.e. lock them...
Click to expand...

This exactly is the plan. We need events getting initially locked units
unlocked. Then we could prevent possible concentration of most of
the Polish divisions in Warsaw prior to the Danzig event.


Simon Stylite said:

very good work though. got right down to the action. vichy in march 40 with roughly 1000mp losses is below average in my opinion. still i think germany is a bid overpowerd.

i'd like to test this again as UK
Click to expand...


Thank you for the comments. See you on Tuesday
 
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Taking into account that Simon Stylite
who played Germany last time on Thursday
believes that the 3rd Reich is still too
strong, the following changes have been made


1. Weakening Germany

a) 12 German '39 infantry divisions replaced with
12 '36 infantry divisions;
b) 8 German first-rate air units replaced with 8
obsolete ones;
c) the total number of German ground divisions
and air untits still the same.


2. Strengthening Allies

a) 12 divisions of Polish militia replaced with
2 lvl2 light armored divisions and 10 '39
infantry divisions, all 12 units have brigades
attached, mostly AA guns;
b) 12 French divisions of militia, garrisons and
'18 infantry replaced with 2 lvl3 light armored
divisions, 2 marines, 4 mountain infantries and
4 divisions of '39 infantry;
c) The total number of Polish and French
divisions still the same;
d) 6 divisions of British militia replaced with
6 marines, all 6 units with engineer brigades.
Also UK has increased manpower.


3. Finland

Finland has 2 more divisions of infantry '39
and 3 more bergsjagers.

Would be good to have a human Finland
next time, on Tuesday, November 21 st
at 19:00 Central European.

Changed the time to 19:00 CET because
Dan might join us if we start 1 hour later
 
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Guys. I might not be able to make it on Tuesday night. My ISP has informed me that they are doing a major upgrade on my local exchange servers and my connection can be expected to be down from 18 to 36 hours. If I can make it I will of course, otherwise you may need to find another Russia for that particular session. SE.
 
Guys. My net hasn't gone down so I guess I'll be there. If I do happen to drop and not return then I think it is obvious why. SE.


EDIT* I just received an e-mail from my ISP. They said that my service will be down in roughly an hour and out of order for most of the day. Might be best to sit this one out, so I guess I will see you guys on Thursday. Apologies for any inconvienances. SE.
 
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