Turkish Air Doctrine Teams - anyone speaks Turkish?

[Hagar]

Currently Turkey has Ali Örlungat and Erkan Gataly as Air Doctrine teams, but we have precious little info - especially regarding Örlungat (where we have none). A couple of other names have surfaced as plausible candidates, Zeki Doğan and Fevzi Uçaner.

Does anyone have any info regarding this trio and what their specializations may be? Other suggestions are welcome, of course.

 

[HistoryMan]

Just as a follow up - we have found a couple of websites in Turkish that might be useful - but since none of the CORE team read Turkish, they are not greatly helpful to us at the moment !

Also, of course, Turkish speakers may well have access to offline/hard copy sources on this topic.

So, please, do help us out if you can !

Tim

 

[Thistletooth]

Have you asked anybody in the Anatolia Mod thread? Good odds somebody there either knows Turkish or knows about these guys.

 

[HistoryMan]

Have you asked anybody in the Anatolia Mod thread? Good odds somebody there either knows Turkish or knows about these guys.

Just posted a request in their mod thread.

Tim

 

[Yasko]

What kind of help do you need? I am not an expert but if you have a scource, please post it here and i´ll try to translate. Also i could send a e-mail to the http://www.tsk.mil.tr/ ask more info about the timeframe.

 

[Hagar]

What kind of help do you need? I am not an expert but if you have a scource, please post it here and i´ll try to translate. Also i could send a e-mail to the http://www.tsk.mil.tr/ ask more info about the timeframe.

We're looking for plausible candidates who would be the driving force for Turkey regarding air tactics, with their basic areas of expertise, within the given timeframe (or part of it). Of the current ones we can find suspiciously little, and thus seem to be unlikely candidates. Zeki Doğan and Fevzi Uçaner seems more logical choices as far as we were able to ascertain, but we can't find enough detailed info on them to determine whether they actually are, let alone their areas of expertise/influence doctrine wise. Plus we can't determine whether there are other, better alternate candidates. Sabiha Gökçen is a national hero in Turkey, but her accomplishments were probably more to do with the fact that she was the adopted daughter of Atatürk rather than actual skill. Mind you, that doesn't imply she was a bad pilot, just that I doubt that she would be dictating Turkish air doctrine issues.
To make matters worse Turkey had a change in naming scheme in 1935, so the same person can be referenced by his old name, new name or a mix of the two.

So if you could find any detailed information about either Zeki Doğan or Fevzi Uçaner that would be wonderful. Anything else is welcome too, as good English sources are few and far between.

 

[Yasko]

http://www.hho.edu.tr/tarihce/komutanlar.htm

This is a link from the "Hava Harb Okulu", "Airforce Academy" that have been active since 1950, earlier it was called "Hava Okulu" which means "Air Academy" and was founded 1912.

The list is the name of the officers that were theachers in the school. The most earliest was already active in the 30s. Most of them seem to have visited US during the 30s. I´ll try to mail them ask couple of questions. If you have some turkish scources, post the link here and i´ll try to translate.

PS. Press on the red dots and you´ll get some info in turkish(unfortunatly) and their picture....

 

[Hagar]

The best English source I happened to find lists Fevzi Uçaner as C.O. of Air War Academy in 1939, which was one of the main reasons to see him as a plausible candidate: http://www.adamsguns.com/turk.htm . I'm not sure whether that actually is the Hava Okulu, but it seems logical...

 

[HistoryMan]

I've looked at www.tayyareci.com which might be useful, if I coudl read Turkish

Also, there is http://www.hvkk.tsk.mil.tr/Turkce/Tarihce/komutan/Komutan_Biyografi.aspx?ID=3. which is a link to some info on Fevzi Ucaner. Again, the site is in Turkish, so any translations would be useful !

Thanks for your help with this.

Tim

 

[unmerged(55810)]

hi, here is a turk!
but i dont know much about air doctrine makers here, even Mustafa Kemal said 'İstikbal göklerdedir'(the future is in the skies) what do you want me to do?

 

[derjagger]

here is one Turk too.
Asa far as i know air for is branch of army unti 50s.

 

[Hagar]

What we're looking for are the names of the people that were instrumental in the creation and formation of the Turkish airforce, mainly prewar, plus some information on their background. Once we have that we can probably take it from there. As the Turkish airforce was only coming into place around the time it would likely center around pilots having trained in France (I know Uçaner did), and were most probably involved in the Hava Okulu (Air Academy) around the time. Apart from their names information on their areas of expertise (bombers, fighters and such) is welcome too. There is plenty of material on the web (we think), but it's all in Turkish...

 

[unmerged(78242)]

Here is another Turk, If you still need one.

 

[Hagar]

All help is appreciated... We're still looking for direction.

 

[Hagar]

Anyone???

 

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You are lucky i am a turk who can help you.
and the answer is you are looking coming. catch it

Turkish air Force is one of the first organizations in the world. We start working on air force in 1909 In turkish army. in 1910 we improve this researchs and send a research team to europe for the air force. in 1910 we decide to send officers to europe to study for planes. but we are in economical crisis and we dont send them.

But, Cpt. Fesa and Lieutenant Yusuf Kenan Beyler send to study for air to Bleriot school at France in july 1911 by the Military affairs minister Mahmut Şevket pasha .

At 1991 , Staff Liuitenant colonel Süreyya (İlmen) Bey is charged to set up the turkish air force. This is the first of the turkish air force.

So of all we are the ones who set up air force between 1909-1912 (USA, French, UK, Germany, Italy, Austria and Russia.

 

[dec152000]

Hi,

What we are really looking for is more info about officers that influenced the Turkish Air Force from 1936 to 1950. Any info on that would be highly appreciated.

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[unmerged(85298)]

and continues.

at 21 February 1912 , Fesa And Yusuf Kenan finished their school and come their homeland. then at 3 july 1912 we opened Istanbul yesilkoy air school to train our soldiers fly.

at 25 Haziran 1920 ottoman goverment closed air force.
then at 13 Haziran 1920 the new turkish goverment opened again turkish air force .
at 1923 we have 3 air division and 1 sea air division
at 1926 we have 10 air division and 3 sea air division
in 1930 we send officers to study air to france , usa and italy.

and now

we have 17 air force division and 20 air supply division

 

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General Muzaffer ERGÜDER
Commander Between : 1927 - 1940

General Celal YAKAL
Commander Between : 1940 - 05.02.1944

General Zeki DOĞAN
Commander Between : 05.02.1944 - 07.06.1950

General Muzaffer GÖKSENİN
Commander Between : 12.06.1950 - 20.04.1953

 

[Hagar]

Enchanter,

I'm assuming they commanded the Air Force in your given time frames. But would that also imply that they actually were instrumental in air tactics during the same time period? Or are there certain pilots and/or commanders of the flying school who would be more fitting? Some of those officers sent to France, Italy and/or the USA could be plausible candidates as well...
And do you by any chance have any information regarding the focus of each candidate (fighters, bombers etc.)?