Turning an offensive war into a defensive war!

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In my last two games I was involved in a number of big alliance wars, and my BB rating didn't make sense. Sometimes I got BB points when I thought I shouldn't have, other times there were no BB point when I thought I deserved them.

I looks to me like the Current Wars info screen shows the wars with the Aggressor listed first. ie: Aggressor Leader & Allies vs. Defender Leader & Defender Allies.

What seems to happen, when you make a separate peace with the Defender Leader, is that the aggressors/defenders change roles. For example, Spain DOW's France, then concludes a separate peace with France. Spain will then be in a defensive war against France's allies.

This is similar to what others have posted about how a defensive war will turn into an offensive war after a separate peace. (See the BB Thingy thread.)

But this swapping of roles only seems to occur when you make peace with the Temporary alliance leader. If you make a sequence of separate Peace aggreements with just the allies, your offensive or defensive war will remain as is.

This makes some sense; at least if the swapping of roles only happens once. The defender's allies DID choose to attack you when they honored their alliance obligations.

So it makes sense to come to terms with you main foes ALLIES first, when you have been attacked. (in order to stay the defender.) And, if you don't consider it cheating, it makes sense to come to terms with you main foe first when you are the attacker. (in order to become the defender.)

[humility note here] This elaborate theory is just based on a few games, and was thought up, as an explanation, after the games were done. Allance wars with opportunities for land grabbing separate peaces are so rare that I can't do a quick 10 minute test. Does this theory match with or contradict your experience?

 

[PatMaster]

Hm, sounds good Im going to play a multiplayer game in a fue minutes, maybe I can get the chance to use this

 

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The obvious cheat doesn't work

The obvious cheat doesn't work. I DOWed a minor (Naples), made a separate peace, and was still at war, offensively, with its' Major ally (Spain).

I still need to test what happens when one of MY allies DOW's a country in an alliance, and then I make a separate-separate peace with the temporary alliance leader. If I am still considered the aggressor in my subsequent war with the remaining alliance members, then I am a cokehead and should be banned from the FAQ forum. But... If I am switched to the Defender... Well... Then I am the discoverer of a particularly useless bit of arcane EU1 trivia.

I ought to get a special Explorer shield for that!

 

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The save file explicitly states who are considered the aggressors, and who are defenders in each war. So if you are not sure whether you are still the defender after a separate peace or two, you can save and search for "defender" to find out.

In my last game, I got unexpectedly turned into the agressor. But it was a big complicated war and I didn't save enough times during it to figure out what happens when one defensive war gets split into several wars due to separate peaces concluded by my allies.

I always seemed to be the defender on the 'current wars' info screen, after my one war turned into three. But, when all was done, I had picked up badboy points from somewhere.