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I'm playing as Germany and invaded Sweden, installing a puppet government. After trail and error, I figured out that they don't send you their excess resources, you have to pick them up and deliver them with your own convoys.

I also controlled (annexed) Denmark, so there should have been a land connection via Copenhagen, yet I still had to ship the excess resources. Does this mean you should not puppet land-locked nations, as there is no way to pick up the excess resources?

I have always used the "annex nation" option in the past, but I read elsewhere on this forum that you get a better return of resources with the puppet option.
 
Correct, Puppets are often a better choice if you're after the resources since all of their provinces are considered national and they get the full amount of resources instead of the percentage you would get as a mere occupier.

Having a landlocked nation as a puppet doesn't have to be a problem if it's connected to the capital directly or to one of your overseas provinces if that has a connection to the sea. Both Nepal and Bhutan for example, will send their excess resources (0.001 energy;)) to India, from where you can ship it to Britain itself. Note that this creates a problem with the resource screen since it will show both as "received from puppets" and " shipped home via convoy"

Have you tried cancelling the convoy? IIRC in Hoi 1 you can still ship things even if there is a landlink. Hope this helps.
 
Robert Koop said:
Have you tried cancelling the convoy? IIRC in Hoi 1 you can still ship things even if there is a landlink. Hope this helps.
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As near as I could tell, nothing was getting shipped at all. The economic daily resource flow screen had nothing listed from puppets (Sweden was my only one at the time), and the production screen listed no Swedish ports with resources to ship. On a lark, I set up a convoy to transport coal and steel from a randomly-selected Swedish port to the homeland, and the next turn the daily resource flow screen indicated about fifty coal and several hundred steel arriving from puppets.

Perhaps the Copenhagen province doesn't count as a land link to Sweden for resource transport.
 
blue 6, are you sure this resources transfer does not work when theres no direct connection between puppet and master?

i mean, whats with UK and USA uppets then?

or maybe i misunderstood?

bm
 
Blue_6 said:
Perhaps the Copenhagen province doesn't count as a land link to Sweden for resource transport.
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Hmm, AFAIK resource and suplies will be shipped across every link, even if you can't move troops over it?? Did you conquer Norway as well, because if you did it could be moved there.
 
bestmajor said:
blue 6, are you sure this resources transfer does not work when theres no direct connection between puppet and master?

i mean, whats with UK and USA uppets then?

or maybe i misunderstood?

bm
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As near as I can tell, country A (the master) has to transport the tribute from country B (the puppet) using country A's own convoys. Seems to me that if you stomp somebody badly enough to steal their lunch money, you should be able to make them pay the postage... :)
 
Blue_6 said:
As near as I can tell, country A (the master) has to transport the tribute from country B (the puppet) using country A's own convoys. Seems to me that if you stomp somebody badly enough to steal their lunch money, you should be able to make them pay the postage... :)
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I would not mind that principle because it's certainly fair, but I'm not sure if that's how it works. Admittedly, it's been a while but AFAIK the following rules apply.
1. If there's a landlink between Master and puppet, all resources are dropped of via that link.
2. If that link leads to an overseas territory, the master has to ship it from the resourcedepot.
3. If there is no landlink, it can be shipped directly from the puppet's territory by the master.
4. If the puppet is landlocked and there is no connection, you don't get anything.
I guess it's time to fire up Hoi 1 again, I'll see if I can recreate something similar to test.
 
After closer review, it seems there is in fact no land connection between Denmark and Sweden. I had assumed that there was a strait between Copenhagen and Malmo, similar to the one between Lubeck and Copenhagen, but there is not (odd, since the aerial photo at Google Maps shows a narrower crossing between Copenhagen and Malmo than Copenhagen and mainland Germany...). If you try to march troops between Copenhagen and Malmo, you get a red "X" in the destination province (indicating a prohibited movement), even if you control both provinces and the patch of water in between.

I will have to check the tribute status via land route some time later in my game, when I have some combination of Norway, Finland and/or USSR under control.
 
Never mind puppetting Sweden, at least until after the Soviet-Finnish Winter War is over. The Swedes intervene on Finland's behalf and Germany finds itself dragged into Barbarossa about two years ahead of schedule.
 
Does the resource screen in the ledge actually work? In my current game I as Germany puppeted Columbia.
I can create a convoy as Germany to ship resources from Columbia to Germany. And I can load as Columbia and create a convoy to ship resources to Germany.

But in the legder on the Daily Resource screen in the "Resources shipped to overlord" nothing appears...?
 
ConjurerDragon said:
Does the resource screen in the ledge actually work? In my current game I as Germany puppeted Columbia.
I can create a convoy as Germany to ship resources from Columbia to Germany. And I can load as Columbia and create a convoy to ship resources to Germany.

But in the legder on the Daily Resource screen in the "Resources shipped to overlord" nothing appears...?
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There are some issues with the ledger. It works well if there is a direct landlink between Master and Puppet, but in other cases things are counted twice (if it's dropped of at an overseas territory) and perhaps in this case not at all? Pehaps the ledger only counts things when they have been delivered via a landlink? That would be my best guess at this moment. I have to admit though, that I have never looked at the ledger from the puppet's perspective.

BTW, I presume the convoy is actually shipping something?
 
Robert Koop said:
There are some issues with the ledger. It works well if there is a direct landlink between Master and Puppet, but in other cases things are counted twice (if it's dropped of at an overseas territory) and perhaps in this case not at all? Pehaps the ledger only counts things when they have been delivered via a landlink? That would be my best guess at this moment. I have to admit though, that I have never looked at the ledger from the puppet's perspective.

BTW, I presume the convoy is actually shipping something?
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It is. The Convoy screen of the ledger shows how much my convoy ships and lists 20 of every resource. But the Daily resources ledges shows nothing as "shipped to overlord" for Columbia or "received from puppets" for me.
 
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