Unified map and scenario IDs

[tombom]

First point: there are lots of map makers and in the end lots of maps. I suppose the eventual idea for the threads is to get one map which will be the ultimate map for EU2, right? If that is the idea, then we need to get organised so it will end up that way.

And if that ever happens, we'll need to modify all the scenario IDs so that they match up.

I've sort of lost my thread, but you should hopefully get the point.

 

[unmerged(9076)]

XieChengnuo has been pretty diligent in collecting province addition estimates, for what I assume is a database of this sort. The problem with unifying all of the map corrections is that everyone has their own artistic style. It's like connecting all of the railroads with different gauges. From what I've seen organizing a single, final map for EUII is going to be contentious, to say the least. The nationalisms are already beginning to heat up in several threads.

 

[Hive]

First point: there are lots of map makers and in the end lots of maps. I suppose the eventual idea for the threads is to get one map which will be the ultimate map for EU2, right? If that is the idea, then we need to get organised so it will end up that way.

I don't know about the others, but that isn't my goal. I'm making my own map for my AoI mod. The reason I'm posting in these threads is to gather some input and suggestions.

 

[tombom]

I don't know about the others, but that isn't my goal. I'm making my own map for my AoI mod. The reason I'm posting in these threads is to gather some input and suggestions.

Yes, but I doubt most people are going to go out and make their own mods with new maps.

 

[Hive]

Yes, but I doubt most people are going to go out and make their own mods with new maps.

If you want to make a map, you'll also have to make a mod. You can't just simply apply it to vanilla EU2, as too much will have to be changed: province.csv, events, scenarios, revolt.txt, etc.

 

[unmerged(5110)]

Yes, but I doubt most people are going to go out and make their own mods with new maps.

I sure hope they are! Otherwise I'll have to throw away this LOTR project i've been thinking up.. :'(

 

[James Fox]

I sure hope they are! Otherwise I'll have to throw away this LOTR project i've been thinking up.. :'(

Are you sure can avoid copyright and derivative works problems with that?

 

[Underhand]

Are you sure can avoid copyright and derivative works problems with that?

There is a Middle Earth mod for Medieval: Total War. I gather they get away with it by not setting it in the time of the LOTR books, but in a prior age, and by specifically stating explicitly that the mod is not for profit and is in no way affiliated with the Tolkien estate. They have also been careful not to 'borrow' anything directly from the books or films.

 

[tombom]

There is a Middle Earth mod for Medieval: Total War. I gather they get away with it by not setting it in the time of the LOTR books, but in a prior age, and by specifically stating explicitly that the mod is not for profit and is in no way affiliated with the Tolkien estate. They have also been careful not to 'borrow' anything directly from the books or films.

And by making sure they didn't draw attention to themselves. The Fourth Age is actually after LOTR anyway

My original idea was most players want to get a new map and be able to play on it without anything else changed.

 

[Underhand]

I think I got it confused with the Silmarillion, another mod idea that was bandied about for the game. In any case, I never pretended to be a Tolkien geek. I'm a history geek

 

[unmerged(36846)]

Im incapable of editing but I think mapmakers should all stick together. It is impossible for everyone to change the whole world map, so evryone should work on a region.
But you have to pay attention to not make many provinces in a region and then leave other regions as they are. I think the best way is to make provinces according to size.

For exampel in reality Japan is bigger than germany, yet in the game there are only 5 provinces in japan and many in germany.
I propose to have england and scotland as standard (16 provinces i think)
Now if france is for example double the size, we should make 32 provinces there.
I am looking up the area of some nations and comparing them to the uk minus n.ireland (244,000 - 14,000 = 230,000km squared).
Thus i propose these number of provinces in these regions be calculated by:
(Size of RegionX/Size of england+scotland) * 16 (no of provinces of england+soctland in eu2)

These are some of the answers
Standard : England + Scotland 16
France 37
Germany 25
Spain 35
Portugal 6/7
Italy 21
Sweden 31
Hungary 6/7
Netherlands + Belgium 5 (maybe we could add another province due to the regions richness or increase the production)
Japan 26 (We could reduce it a bit)
Denmark 3
Iceland 7 (reducable)
Norway 23
Greece/Islands 9
South Africa 85 (this is somewhat excessive but i think at least 20 are needed here as historically it was colonized from many .. england, france, netherlands, portugal...)
Turkey (Asia Minor + Thrace) - 54
Yugoslavia region - 18
Poland - 22
Ireland + N.Ireland - 6

 

[Kasperus]

It is impossible for everyone to change the whole world map, so evryone should work on a region.

I think MKJ and Hive have been showing well enough that there is nothing impossible about it . Besides that, Hive has a valid point that only a whole mod can work out map-changes and that every distinct mod might require a different map-editting approach. For example, as much as I like the various parts of the maps presented by MKJ, Xiechengnuo and Hive, none of these are entirely usable for our MES-mod, for which we thus design our own map already. We are with 3 people though, so although we cannot probably beat AGCEEP with its zounds of contributors, we should be finished earlier than Hive

 

[Hive]

Im incapable of editing but I think mapmakers should all stick together. It is impossible for everyone to change the whole world map, so evryone should work on a region.
But you have to pay attention to not make many provinces in a region and then leave other regions as they are. I think the best way is to make provinces according to size.

You can't just determine how many provinces the various nations should have using size as the only basis.

Hell, how many would Australia need to have if each province should be the same size as on the British Isles?

Things like 23 province Norway and 7 province Portugal sounds outright ridiculous to me, honestly. Are you sure you thought this through?

 

[Hive]

We are with 3 people though, so although we cannot probably beat AGCEEP with its zounds of contributors, we should be finished earlier than Hive

Are you sure about that? I only work part-time, so I have plenty of spare time on my hands...

 

[Rythin]

Well, I bet that after a year or something there would be at least dozen different maps: one for each mod, few designed for MP, few correcting major bugs, few correcting major bugs that suddenly transformed into big map projects etc.

 

[Txini]

Hive 7 provinces Portugal doesn't sound so strange if you count Azores and think in giving them the Madeira Islands.

 

[Hive]

Hive 7 provinces Portugal doesn't sound so strange if you count Azores and think in giving them the Madeira Islands.

True. I guess I figured he was talking mainland provinces only...

But still... Iceland 7? Sweden 31? Norway 23? Poland 22 (I'm assuming he's talking about Poland proper, without Lithuania and such)?

Crazy talk. :wacko:

 

[LordLeto]

Yea 7 for Iceland stuck out for me. Why the hell would Iceland need seven?

 

[unmerged(28604)]

Yes, but I doubt most people are going to go out and make their own mods with new maps.

If its not very hard to do, then Im sure gonna try make my own map-mod. If it turns out good then I might even share it.
Im pretty convinced that we will soon have a nice collection of indvidual/specialized maps, long before a all covering "ultimate map" made by the community will be finished.
I mean, not everybody want to add tons of new provinces(405+) just bcz its possible, which saves a lot of time/work.
I even think the indvidual maps might be more succesfull, than a "ultimate map". Let say that I want to play a game focused on Japan. Then I will much rather download a map specialized for playing Japan/Asia than play it on a "ultimate map".

 

[unmerged(36846)]

Whats wrong with norway and sweden? I think they should have much more provinces as they are large.
Yes maybe iceland having 7 provinces does not make sense.