Upcomming AoI 1337 game

[Aladar]

Day and time: Monday 19.00 - 23.00 CET (most likely starting october 3rd)

Scenario: AoI 2.5 1337
Difficulty: Normal
Aggresiveness: Normal
Players: Up to 10
Nations to be played: England, France, Aragon, Denmark, Poland, Austria, Muscowy, Portugal and OE.
Starting cash: England 200, France 400, Aragon 600, all others 1000.
Edits carried out pregame:
- England looses all cores in France, but Calais, Picardie, Caux and Normandie.
- Albanian culture set to Slavonic, Armenia culture set to Turkish, Tuareg set to Arabic.
- France looses Normandy, Orleans, Bourbonnais, Auvergne (leaving only Provance) as vassel
- Denmark gains cores in Småland, Vestergotland, Svealand, Bergslagen, Gästrikland, Västerbotten and Finland.
- Brandenburg gains cores in Poznan, Silesia, Erz, Sachsen and Anhalt.
- Anton's leadergenerator will be used limiting leaders to max 4 till 1750. After that max is 5 for the rest.
- Magdeburg becomes Brandenburg provinse
- All european nations start with a guvenor. All north african countries will have guvenors, the border in the east being Mameluks, White Sheep and Golden Horde.
- All nations have cores on humans capitals.
- Land/navel sliders will be locked at 5

Current players:

Aladar - Aragon
Ozzeh - Muscowy
Dr Bob - Portugal
Nabu - OE
France - Hoping Norre will take this
Fnuco - Austria
HolisticGod - England
Moredhel - Denmark
Grabah - Poland

People interested Norrefeldt

Rules:

- If you want to dow a vassal nation always dow the overlord.
(If the Vassal is a player himself, this rule doesn't apply)
(If the Vassal declares war, a human defender need not declare war upon the overlord)

- England, Castile and France all weigh 1 point, all other nations 0,5 point. Max 2 points per alliance. Will be edited as we go along.

- All maptrading allowed with humans, but not with AI.

- Han, Cantonese and Japanese culture Unavailable till 1675

- Any country (or alliance) can take up to 3 provinces from any other country untill 1500, and +1 province for each century after that. CoTs are cosidered as 2 provinces and colonies are considered as 0.3 provinces.

Vasselization of nation. Must stay vassel for atleast 20 years.

- All edits are possible (cores/ships too). The edit must be made public through the thread.

- Holding 75% of a foreign cultures provinses for a straigt 50 years will allow you to adopt the culture. A maximum of 2 new cultures can be added.

- New cultures will be lost if you control less than 75% of the provinses for a straigt 50 years.

-If a country drops, he will be picked up at jan unless he is at war, at which point he will be picked up immediately.

- Capital can be moved at the cost of 3 stab (must be at min. 0 then done) and 1000d. To all over the world, as long as you have the culture of the provinse.

- If at -3 stab and -99WS, you have to accept next stabhitting offer.

Don't be gamey and keep it chill

 

[unmerged(36826)]

Well 3 games a week is my maximum, but when Chill 2 finishs (3/4 more sessions?) then I would like to play , you may want to put the countries that are feasibly playable with some good edits.

 

[Aladar]

Chill2 will ofcourse be followed by Chill3. Thou some (read: Nabu) have surgested that Chill3 be the AoI game. I haven't really decided on this yet, thou it might be an idea, since all 4 of us play in Chill2

 

[unmerged(38752)]

Well, about Chill 3, that's really your decision Aladar. Anyway, I am playing in 4 games already so I won't join this game on a set day if you decide this is not going to be chill3, but chill3 will be a normal game instead.

 

[Aladar]

I'm sure you, Dr Bob and Nabu will be able to persuade me on that. So stop while all of you and get back to those comments please.

 

[Aladar]

AoI - my observation by Nabu

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Since I have promised I will write something about my observations on AoI.

I wouldn't change much but if something I would edit Aragorn as vassal of Castille. I would also suggest leaving France and England in the state in which they are. With one remark; wars between France and England should be restricted or France won't survive. Since I would like to play England I will retreat from the continent if I get the chance to play England. If somebody else will play it you should invent rule for France's survival. I would also suggest less players because congested AoI can end chaotically. Also, those players should NOT be newbies. Most of games don't go with 1419 only because a lot of players don't know how to pull out the country from the beggining. nedless to say situation in 1337 will be even harder. Therefore I would suggest small financial boost to all countries except England. Around 2 or 5kd. That money should be sufficient for initial bailifs and first invasions. Although with right players it is completely unnecessary.

France and why it shouldn't be weakened; France is a weak country and it will never grow too strong (until Napoleonic age) if surrounded with good players. Also France usually doesn't go above 350 with monthly income (while England usually goes over 850) so further restrictions in early age when France is divided can be deadly.

England was and is superpower in all ages with exception of pre-protestant era. I agree with you that England should be robbed of early generals but better than that imo England should be restricted in expansion in the continent if we want historical game (and I would very much like excatly that).

Castille should be edited for Aragorn as their vassal early on because in the start Castille is not so strong country at all.

OE needs boost imo.

BB needs boost too.

Russia is fine with good player, Austria, Sweden and Venice too.

 

[unmerged(36826)]

You will also need to even out some of the more glaring leader files, or play with random leaders, as I beleive that most countries have no leaders for the first 100 years and a few majors have an overpowering amount.

 

[unmerged(38752)]

Mostly England... the rest doesn't have much at all. Venice some admirals, France maybe a few leaders, but that's pretty much it. Haven't seen a single one for Muscowy in 30 years of play.

 

[unmerged(36826)]

Mostly England... the rest doesn't have much at all. Venice some admirals, France maybe a few leaders, but that's pretty much it. Haven't seen a single one for Muscowy in 30 years of play.

That is some nice reiteration of what I just said you evil spammer, also you may want to transfer some of the OE events/leaders to Byzantium for an interesting game, as they have a similiar starting situation and Byzantium is just cooler to play than the OE

 

[unmerged(38752)]

That is some nice reiteration of what I just said you evil spammer, also you may want to transfer some of the OE events/leaders to Byzantium for an interesting game, as they have a similiar starting situation and Byzantium is just cooler to play than the OE

Ah yes, good idea. Byzantium is cool! Though editing those events will make it VERY hard to get subs...

 

[unmerged(36826)]

Ah yes, good idea. Byzantium is cool! Though editing those events will make it VERY hard to get subs...

i think we will need a pool of people who are able to sub for this game anyway, it is a mod afterall

 

[unmerged(38752)]

True... but if they also have to alter event files it might be a bit much. Perhaps we should focus our changes on the scenario instead. This requires no additional file changes.

 

[Aladar]

OE may be small to begin with, but has a shitload of cores and many troops to begin with. Whoever plays them will be able to expand fast eastwards for many new provinses.

 

[unmerged(38752)]

LOL @ your sig aladar!

 

[unmerged(36826)]

LOL @ your sig aladar!

oh ozzeh what adventures will you get into next week :rofl:

 

[unmerged(41172)]

OE may be small to begin with, but has a shitload of cores and many troops to begin with. Whoever plays them will be able to expand fast eastwards for many new provinses.

I suggest reduction of BB to 0 after 100 years for OE and Russia. What better edit can there be????

I'm also suggesting less discussion and sooner start of the game. Edits can be done ingame if somebody starts to loose country to AI. Reason I'm not thrilled with too much edits is simple; we are doing it blindly; we haven't played this scenario yet and therefore we have no idea what are we doing.

Some things like generals can be edited for countries like Russia though, but we can do it ingame too, with adapting one or two rules from Kingdom Stage (or even more, Bob's and Bal's system is good and we have Bob here... flippant but efficient co-GM).

This doesn't mean that some other edits shouldn't be done but don't experiment too much - human brain is a wonderfull edit for any country and I belive all but complete noobs (forbidden entrance to this game) would pull out their countries from middle age and into glorious Renaissance.

Considering Chill - Chill is Chill and maybe it isn't bad idea to leave it the way it is but if Aladar wants to transform it to AoI it is also good idea. I, personnaly, don't want to wait with this game for ending of a Chill only because not all players in Chill can install and run AoI (Aladars information). Therefore I suggest we don't prolongue this discussion too much. Let's present our ideas for edits and let's start. Since I like autocracy let Aladar have final word on edits (since he opened this thread sooner than me - thanks Ali I didn't want to be GM anyway ).

Concerning countries; let people chek in.... who survives survives... we are not UNICEF and this is a game of war and diplomacy...

For "must be" countries I suggest Sweden, BB, Austria, Castille, Russia, Venice, France, England, OE (last three are my choices but in differnt order; England, OE, France). That are 9 countries that should survive imo.

Once again I suggest editing Aragorn vassalship to Castille, reduction of BB to Russia and OE and financial boost to these two countries.

Over and out *tapping with fingers and waiting for a game to start*

 

[ForzaA]

I suggest reduction of BB to 0 after 100 years for OE and Russia. What better edit can there be????

dubious for OE, ridiculous for Russia, imnsho - Russia didn't expand much/at all during that time IRL, so why should they be able to essentially take whatever they want for free?

And no, this does not mean I plan to participate (though I *might*)

 

[unmerged(41172)]

dubious for OE, ridiculous for Russia, imnsho - Russia didn't expand much/at all during that time IRL, so why should they be able to essentially take whatever they want for free?

And no, this does not mean I plan to participate (though I *might*)

Meh I agree. But they want some edits so I'm desperately trying to give some


...also please join us we need Field Marshals here ...

 

[unmerged(38752)]

I don't think its needed to give OE and Russia extra stuff. Instead, I think we should tone down France/England and perhaps Castile a bit. Since we'll be playing a long game, we don't want all AI to be gone in the year 1400 already. So, let us all be minor and due to BB we'll need a lot of time to conquer all the land.

 

[Aladar]

Zag and me played this for a while as Poland and Denmark. We were both HUGE, Zag owned much of germany, hungary, bohemia, austria and italy. I have all scandinavia, finland, baltics and north germany.

Then gave Tonio along and took France (normal size at that point), and within 30 years he had taken most of England and annex all of Iberia. Then we decided to attack, but our combined forces our empires were not nearly enough to kill, let alone damage the french.

We also had a Venice/Russia game, where i kicked his a...

So we have played this before, i've even played it several times in SP. So let's not be too hasty with getting it on the tracks.

England/France and possible Castile all needs to be toned down a little, or they will surely killed the rest who all start out relatively small.

Ozzeh and me are looking into event files at the moment, so you will have to wait a little while longer. Also it will be difficult to find a day for this is not monday, where all of us already play Chill. Some of us had many games already.