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One more thing.

It's strange but it seems that IGC included second revolt.txt file.
I don't know if it matters or what purpose is behind it, and since Doomdark is on his holidays in Tuscany, i can't ask him :(.
 
ok, I played next 150 years in previous game.

In 1770, when all my NA provinces had above 5000 population and crucial ones had above 25'000, (i also annexed Mexico), i made revolts again.
This time it worked, when my government has fallen for second time, US appeared (along with New Spain, with capital in San Bernardino, and i though default one is in Tampico, it seems that capital location is not so important, IIRC, US also didn't had capital in Manhattan)
 
Eh, Badkarma, i didn't get you:confused:

Ok, some more feedback.

I was wondering why US only appear when my government falls, while other european nations can declare independence without it.

So, first, i copied old revolt files, (those IGC ones), then i edited every fortress out (in NA, not in Europe), then i played.

Since i edited out fortresses, my government eventually fell, cause rebels wandered through NA provinces freely, and after that, both Iroquois and US always appeared, (strange thing that US capital was always in Mobile or Tuscarora).
Then, i edited revolt files again, deleting all additional provinces for US. No change, except US was only two province now.
Then i built fortress in connecticut, but due to rebels walking through all of NA, i didn't see that fortress fallen after siege, only instant takeover by rebels (and then fall of government eventually)
Then i annexed New Spain (which went independen some time ago, consisting of all former Aztec land, except one).Played again.This time both New Spain and US declared independence (after Gov Fall,of course).Strange thing that, despite in revolt files default capital of New Spain is Tampico, it always appeared in Tenochtitlan, makin New Spain pagan.

One more observation, it doesn't matter if provinces are controlled by one country, in last one New Spain grabbed all Mexican land, despite half of them was Spain owned (rebel controlled, though)

So fact that NA is not controlled by one country doesnt' matter. Main obstacle for appearing US is that apparently fall of government is needed:eek: .And of course date of revolter beginning, 1700.
Maybe also low population values in NA provinces.

This case with government really puzzles me, i saw New Spain gone independent many times in my regular games, but i don't remember if Spain had it government broken.

I thinkn i will copy old GC revolt file and also try to buid fortress back in every NA province except US revolt ones, so i can see if after some time they will declare independence, without fall of government.Maybe i will edit province religions, so they will only rebel in required ones.

Anyway, for now it seems that only solutions are
1)seriously cripple England with loads of revolts
2)ditch US tag, and use it for something elso (if playing with Vinland turned off, since it uses US tag)

one more thing, i noticed that US revolter uses US flag, not Vinland one. It appears that IGC is more smart than i though, and, when playing with Vinland off, it uses old graphic files. But why Novogrod is named Finland and have Finnish flag?
 
Originally posted by Urkhan


Also Id like to say that the real USA didnt come about by a mere chance roll of the dice. Lots of really smart guys with silly white wigs worked hard to make it happen, alot of them died too.

Last time I checked *al*l those guys with white wigs were still dead.:confused:
 
Taxation without representation was only to get a CB - taxation was the real reason. George III was hitting them hard (from their point of view) to help pay for the French & Indian (Seven Years) war.
 
Originally posted by Sonny
Taxation without representation was only to get a CB - taxation was the real reason. George III was hitting them hard (from their point of view) to help pay for the French & Indian (Seven Years) war.

Expecting the colonists to help pay for all the costs of defending them against the French? Gee, how callous he was.

Plain fact is, humans always want to rule themselves: look at the mess the UN is in even today, when its obvious to anyone with as much as half a brain that the world has to co-operate together or else go to hell in a handcart together. People are still choosing option B.
 
Originally posted by Sonny


Last time I checked *al*l those guys with white wigs were still dead.:confused:

If they werent dead when they buried 'em, they sure must be by now. Somebody should dig a tunnel and check just to be sure.