USA entering war in late 1940.

[Kelvin]

Playing as Germany, on N/N, historical path, I keep seeing USA joining the Allies in mid or late 1940.

Is there a way to make it more historical, and move that to mid to late 1941?

 

[el alamein]

Hi Kelvin,

Not sure why the US is declaring war early. If they do it usually has to do with belligerence levels of other nations, or if the Axis is making better progress than historically. Are you, as Germany, making better progress, for example an invasion of the UK? The US won't stand idle and let the UK get overrun without intervening. What is Japan doing as well? They may be of a high enough belligerence for the US to join the Allies.

We did encounter this problem during beta testing but it was assumed to be fixed. IIRC going back to a previous save before the US enters the war and reloading may help, although it's not an ideal solution.

If this keeps re-occuring you should post a save game to the Mantis website for the developers can take a look at it.

Here is the link:
http://www.mantis.terranova.dk

Cheers

 

[Kelvin]

Hi Kelvin,

Not sure why the US is declaring war early. If they do it usually has to do with belligerence levels of other nations, or if the Axis is making better progress than historically. Are you, as Germany, making better progress, for example an invasion of the UK? The US won't stand idle and let the UK get overrun without intervening. What is Japan doing as well? They may be of a high enough belligerence for the US to join the Allies.

We did encounter this problem during beta testing but it was assumed to be fixed. IIRC going back to a previous save before the US enters the war and reloading may help, although it's not an ideal solution.

If this keeps re-occuring you should post a save game to the Mantis website for the developers can take a look at it.

Here is the link:
http://www.mantis.terranova.dk

Cheers

Thanx for the response.

The general situation is like this:

Japan is doing quite well in China (but not overwhlmingly well), and that's probably the only thing that is ahead of the schedule.

As Germany, I haven't even finished off France in autumn of 1940, much less invaded the UK. No Slovakia, Hungary has taken that.


I don't know what caused the shift to interventionism (Ecuador-Peru war ending in an annexation doesn't seem to be significant enough), but the USA was able to join alliances in early 1940 (interventionism slider), so all I've done is to go back to mid 1939 and move them 2 or 3 places towards isolationism, and the problem was solved.



We'll see what happens next time under similar conditions.

 

[stewart_king_2000]

I have normally been able to join the Allies in January 1941 by moving my interventionism slider at each opportunity.

There ought to be something to prevent this. Maybe prevent the Americans from moving their interventionism slider, relying on events instead which will allow them to join the Allies/declare war independently on GER or JAP if they have been pursuing their historical course by January 1942.

 

[Kelvin]

New game, everything by the book, things done historically, and the USA joins the Allies in October 1940. Their interventionism slider is at 6.

 

[unmerged(36449)]

I'm playing one right now in which the US on her own declares war on the USSR... Germany is just invading France. I think it might have to do with the Soviet declaration of war on Poland jacking it' BB just enough to cross the threshold of "oh no you didn't!"

This should be an interesting scenario when PH fires.. it will either drive the Soviets into a de facto alliance with the axis or if the Germans have launched on them early it is going to turn the game into a veritable free for all.

 

[mr.sorge]

Look at belligerence of JPN.
How high is it?

US gets +interventionism slider moves when JPNs belli jumps high.
look at my post
here, this bug seems to cause those ridiculous fast&high belli.
Don't know if the CORE team has fixed it yet,
think you have to edit your savegame as a temp. fix.
(before US joins the war -> reduce JPN belli, move US intervent. slider etc..)

 

[unmerged(36449)]

Look at belligerence of JPN.
How high is it?

US gets +interventionism slider moves when JPNs belli jumps high.
look at my post
here, this bug seems to cause those ridiculous fast&high belli.
Don't know if the CORE team has fixed it yet,
think you have to edit your savegame as a temp. fix.
(before US joins the war -> reduce JPN belli, move US intervent. slider etc..)

It was under 15 when the US declared on the Soviets.. don't know what it was for the Russians at the time though.

Pearl harbor fired.. and the Soviets are either boned or going to join the axis.

EDIT: They were boned.. it became a total free for all with the US fighting not only the Japanese but the Soviets in Asia and the Germans and the Soviets in Europe.. and the Germans fighting both. Now I am not one to bash an a-historic outcome, I like 'em, but this one of all the ones I have seen the game do had the least basis in potential reality. With the US not supportive of Britain early on since they are tied up in their own war, and lacking FDR in their corner (Wilkie was POTUS in this); Britain has little choice but to pack it in shortly after the fall of France.. no lend lease means that she has to pay cash on the barrelhead for any arms.. and since pre war she had about 300 million pound sterling in cash reserves and ZERO credit with the US from her defaulting on the WW1 loans.. she goes bankrupt(as way of comparison Argentina had roughly that in cash reserves with 295 million). The Soviets without any lend lease should collapse as they don't have the needed supplies to get them over the hump while moving their industry, or the food to feed their troops since their bread basket has panzers rolling over it.

The next game I played Wilkie also wins in '40(I need to check the odds of that in the event file seems waaaaay to probable if I see it two games in a row).. and the war in Europe was over in early '41... Germans could not take out the Low Countries and had a small two province salient into France that was going nowhere. I was playing Argentina and joined the Allies early and spent the prewar years building a small but reasonably potent mobile force; so I have my best 12 divisions in Holland and notice that I have a nice shot at Munster because of allied aircraft overflights.. I drove as far South as Nuremberg and as far East as Praha with an element at the gates of Berlin in no time because of all the big empty space.