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Why can't I target Byzantion, Nikomedia, or other Turkish held provinces near Bosporus straits? Byzantion and Nikomedia are held by the "King of Seljuks" himself. The surrounding territories are held by vassals of his. I'm playing as Croatia. The Byzantines are still holding on but just barely and are at war with the Turks again. I can navigate my troops through neutral Byzantine territory fine but I can't access those Bosporus territories by land or sea. I can send soldiers to Seljuk vassals in Antioch, Beirut, etc. just fine. I've definitely declared on all territories I'm attempting to attack.

When I upgraded from Duke of Slavonia to King of Croatia my capitol was changed from Zabreg to Zadar. When I took the King title from it's previous holder the capitol was down the coast in Split with me already holding Zadar. It doesn't make a huge difference in gameplay terms but for rp reasons I really wanted to keep the capitol in Zagreb. Is there a way to keep my capitol province from being moved when I gain a new title?

At the start of the 1066 scenario there are Trpimirovics holding the titles Duke of Slavonia and King of Croatia but they're unrelated. Within the first two decades both leaders died heirless (not at the same time but within about 5 or 10 years of one another. The new "country cousin" rulers were blood relatives. Is that some weird, quirky thing that happened just in my game or would it always happen that way? The seperate branches still don't seem to inherit one another.
 
I can answer the last two.

Your Capitol is (Mostly) determined by your Richest Province in your Demense that meets the following Criteria - Must be In the main Title area, Be of your Culture, Be of your Religion.
If none meets all of those Criteria, it starts going down the list - Be IN Title area, then Culture. If none, it drops the Culture requirement, etc.

As for characters being of the same Dynasty but not having any visible relationship, that is not uncommon at the start of the game nor during the game. County Cousins will be of that Dynasty but won't show ''how'' they are related. As for Rulers in the same Realm at the start of the game, it was probably just a failure of the game designers (they had to rush it out and there were tons of things left on the ''cutting room floor'').
 
egroegdraw said:
Why can't I target Byzantion, Nikomedia, or other Turkish held provinces near Bosporus straits? Byzantion and Nikomedia are held by the "King of Seljuks" himself. The surrounding territories are held by vassals of his. I'm playing as Croatia. The Byzantines are still holding on but just barely and are at war with the Turks again. I can navigate my troops through neutral Byzantine territory fine but I can't access those Bosporus territories by land or sea. I can send soldiers to Seljuk vassals in Antioch, Beirut, etc. just fine. I've definitely declared on all territories I'm attempting to attack.
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Just in case you didn't do it, when you Moved Up in rank (from a Duke to a King) did you save/reload? Odd things do/will happen if you fail to save/reload when your Main Title changes.

As to why you can't access Byzantion by Sea, when you can access Antioch by sea, I'm not entirely sure. Once you are at war with any Muslim, you are then allowed to march through any and all other Muslim territories (though there is a game quirk, you need to wait ONE day before being allowed to march through non-combatant Muslims). But that shouldn't matter in this case, as there isn't anyone else blocking those territories.

Do try a Save/Reload to see if that does fix this problem.
 
Make sure you've tried clicking on various different parts of the province, sometimes it seems to be a bit fussy about exactly where you click and makes a funny noise and ignores you.
 
I've saved and reloaded a few times. I clicked every sqaure mm of all of the five provinces I'm trying to access and it's been a week of game time since I declared was. It's really pretty frustrating because it was quite a struggle to get to the point where I could go toe to toe with the Turks.
Any other ideas?
 
egroegdraw said:
I've saved and reloaded a few times. I clicked every sqaure mm of all of the five provinces I'm trying to access and it's been a week of game time since I declared was. It's really pretty frustrating because it was quite a struggle to get to the point where I could go toe to toe with the Turks.
Any other ideas?
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Have you applied the latest Beta-patch from October 2008??

In DV 2.0 I am pretty sure you could not move across religious enemy territory, unless you were actually at war with that realm. Which often meant that you had to declare war on a lot of realms to get to an inland enemy.

This was changed in one of the betas.

edit: Uuuhh ... post #2000 .... yay me!!
 
Rivus said:
When landing troops on heathen territories, you need to be at war with them first - that's what I encountered, anyway.
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After the beta-patches, you just needed to be at war with one of them, to be able to cross other neutral lands of that religion.
 
Sorry for letting this lapse but I didn't have much time for gaming lately. Thanks to your suggestions I checked to make sure I had patched to 2.1b and I hadn't. Prior to doing that I checked a little more in my Croatia game before starting a new, patched game and I realized why it wouldn't let me get to Byzantion or Nikomedia. I had delcared on all Turkish vassals contiguous to Byzantion and Nikomedia but there was another vassal one province north of the one directly north of Byzantion that I hadn't delcared on. Of course, the game decided that is the only route to Byzantion...even by sea. After I declared on those guys (well it was a female ruler but whatever) I could get to to the referenced territories but I'd have to sail past them to that other province (don't have access to game right now, sorry), land, and then walk there. :rolleyes: Either way, I haven't experienced that since patching. Sadly though, the Seljuks are much weaker in this game (or the Byzantines are much stronger).

I have a few other questions now if you don't mind.

Contiguous demense: What constitutes contiguous demense? If I have my capitol at Napoli and Messina and Trappani are in my demense, are they considered contiguous since both have sea trade route connections to the capitol? Side question on this: on that trade route map there are green, red, and blue lines. Do they denote different things or was that just an attempt to make the map more easily readable? I'm trying to Hellenize (or whatever the right term for to turn Greek is) my empire and I control Napoli, Salerno, Reggio, and all of the isle of Sicily. Consenza is controlled by a vassal. Will I need to control Consenza directly to spread culture to Sicily or will it spread through my vassal held land and/or over the sea lanes?

Why is my Archbishop of Jerusalem muslim? I conquered a huge swath of the "Holy Land" and created maybe 6 or 7 Duke titles and gave them all but one to my former diocese bishop with the intent of eventually releasing him as King of Jerusaelem. The next thing I know, he's died and there is a muslim archbishop of Jerusalem and other places. I think to myself...I'll fix this. So I save and reload and f12 kill him. He's replaced by another muslim. I killed 10 muslim archbishops of Jerusalem and the title was still never assumed by a Christian. I find this rather annoying. I can usually find some rp reason why the weird things the game makes happen happen but this is just dumb. How can I fix this? Non Christian vassals of Christian lords do tend to convert to Christianity but I've given this guy 20 years or so and he's still as Muslim as the Koran. The crusades are pretty pointless anyhow but between losing 4 different provinces to the imminently conquerable Hospitaler order (the Templars only cost my one province but they're muslims now, too :rolleyes:) and this they're really maddening: a crappy sidegame in an otherwise enjoyable game.

How do the religious tolerance and religious stringency techs effect the game? I have my assumptions but I'd like to know. I decided in this game I was going to try to have a multi religious empire and just be a cultural imperialist. I set to researching religious tolerance (flexibility maybe, again game not in front of me) and of course had that subverted by church supremacy law "discovering" the inquisition for me and losing the second religious tolerance tech. Should I bother continuing to research religious tolerance or will my church supremacy law make that pointless.
 
Contiguous demense: What constitutes contiguous demense? If I have my capitol at Napoli and Messina and Trappani are in my demense, are they considered contiguous since both have sea trade route connections to the capitol? Side question on this: on that trade route map there are green, red, and blue lines. Do they denote different things or was that just an attempt to make the map more easily readable? I'm trying to Hellenize (or whatever the right term for to turn Greek is) my empire and I control Napoli, Salerno, Reggio, and all of the isle of Sicily. Consenza is controlled by a vassal. Will I need to control Consenza directly to spread culture to Sicily or will it spread through my vassal held land and/or over the sea lanes?
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Contigues demesne means your demesne-province are all in one region. The map is divided into regions (you can't see them on the map) and there is a map of them somewhere. Though I can't find it right now. But main-land Sicily and the island of Sicily are not in one region, that I know.Trade-routes don't make any difference on this.

Which trade-route map are you looking at, since it seems like you are looing at an old one. Since my map doesn't use different colours. On the other map, different colours don't have a different meaning.

In order for culture to spread it must either be in your demesne or ruled by a vassal. So having a vassal in Cosenza is enough. The culture of your vassal doesn't matter for the event.

Why is my Archbishop of Jerusalem muslim? I conquered a huge swath of the "Holy Land" and created maybe 6 or 7 Duke titles and gave them all but one to my former diocese bishop with the intent of eventually releasing him as King of Jerusaelem. The next thing I know, he's died and there is a muslim archbishop of Jerusalem and other places. I think to myself...I'll fix this. So I save and reload and f12 kill him. He's replaced by another muslim. I killed 10 muslim archbishops of Jerusalem and the title was still never assumed by a Christian. I find this rather annoying. I can usually find some rp reason why the weird things the game makes happen happen but this is just dumb. How can I fix this? Non Christian vassals of Christian lords do tend to convert to Christianity but I've given this guy 20 years or so and he's still as Muslim as the Koran. The crusades are pretty pointless anyhow but between losing 4 different provinces to the imminently conquerable Hospitaler order (the Templars only cost my one province but they're muslims now, too ) and this they're really maddening: a crappy sidegame in an otherwise enjoyable gam
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Are you sure you have DV correctly installed and are you sure you are playing with the latest patch ? Since having a Muslim bishop is a bug, which was solved a long time ago already in CK.

You can still see Muslim leaders of the religious orders, that is because religious orders use elective law so when they have a Muslim vassal with high martial that courtier will most likely become Grand Master.

How do the religious tolerance and religious stringency techs effect the game? I have my assumptions but I'd like to know. I decided in this game I was going to try to have a multi religious empire and just be a cultural imperialist. I set to researching religious tolerance (flexibility maybe, again game not in front of me) and of course had that subverted by church supremacy law "discovering" the inquisition for me and losing the second religious tolerance tech. Should I bother continuing to research religious tolerance or will my church supremacy law make that pointless.
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These techs only have an effects on events and having one tech researched won't exclude the other techs.
 
I'm looking at the map in this thread.

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?p=8834549

For an overland route, are all provinces that the route crosses considered to have trade route connection with the source provinces?

I am positive I'm playing Deus Vult patched to 2.1b. This game was started after I patched. I played some more on that game last night and another Muslim became archbishop of Jerusalem after the last one died of natural caues. The new guy at least had the decency to convert to Christianity after about a year.

Thanks for the responses.
 
I'm sorry to seem as though I have only complaints because I really do enjoy this game but there is one other minor annoyance that crops up. I have to change my diocese bishop every time I load the game up. I can't tell why it's assigning the characters that it does to the post and it's not the same guy every time.
 
egroegdraw said:
Why is my Archbishop of Jerusalem muslim?
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I've seen this before as well (in DV, with the latest patch) It didn't bother me much, since it was just a small archbishop in southern Spain, so I just striped him of his titles and gave them to someone else.

Isn't there a charevent that converts a character to the religion of their liege? Just F12 and use that charevent on the bishop and then on all of his courtiers.

I'm not sure if that would do it, since it may replace old courtiers with new Muslims and you would eventually end up with the same problem again. But you could give it a try and see if it works.

BTW, is it possible for one of these Muslim bishops to become the Pope? That would be hilarious!
 
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