Vassalisation bug?

[Davisx3m]

I play as Poland and everytime Lithuania asks me to become their vassal the pop up vassal "event" dissapears directly so I can't click yes or no. It's just plain no because it dissapears.

(Not that I want to become their vassal but what if I wanted to be it )

 

[MichaelM]

Thanks, we are aware of this and are working to get it fixed in the first patch.

 

[Fürstbischof]

I'm not sure, if this is a bug, but it is a little bit irritating:
My Aragon tried for several years (10-15 times) to vassalize Tuscany with no luck. Then i loaded as Tuscany and released their two vassals. With the second try - after my cheating - little Tuscany was Aragons vassal.

I seldom tried in EU2 to diplo-annex my neighbours, therefore i'm not sure if it is impossible to vassalize a country which has its own vassals or had i only bad luck?

 

[unmerged(40707)]

You should have the reason why a country refuses to be vassalized in the corresponding message box for refusal.

 

[Fürstbischof]

You should have the reason why a country refuses to be vassalized in the corresponding message box for refusal.

That's the type of message, which i've normally disabled.

Therefore i reloaded an old savegame and tried again. But then the popup message gives no obvious reason, why they refused. Instead it is mentioned "They will soon see the light"!

 

[unmerged(40707)]

It means "bad luck". There is always a chance for refusal.

 

[Fürstbischof]

It means "bad luck". There is always a chance for refusal.

Ok, then i had a (long) string of bad luck.

Maybe i'll devote this weekend a few hours just for testing it out, if and when they accept my proposal. Far too often you have the impression, that this 95% chance (e.g. while colonizing) is missed. (in particular i dislike this 5% chance to fail, while i'm sending the last colonists to get a colony to 5000 pop)

 

[unmerged(40707)]

Ok, then i had a (long) string of bad luck.

I checked and MichaelM confirmed. Sorry, I was wrong. There is only one message... for now.

 

[Fürstbischof]

I checked and MichaelM confirmed. Sorry, I was wrong. There is only one message... for now.

Thanks for your quick replies. There's no need for excuses; i know that you try hard to make the game better.

In the meantime i did my little test (watk-lite; dip 8, stab+3 and mostly +200 relations): little Tuscany (5 italian provs + 1 greek island) refused each of my 100 proposals to become my vassal. The message was always the same. Therefore it would be nice, if the message showed the most determinant factor for the refusal.

But: is the automatic refusal of Tuscany, which is the master of two vassals, a bug or is it WAD? A country, which is the master of one or several other countries, is one of the "major" powers in its region. Maybe it shouldn't be so easy to vassalize? Such a country should only be subdued militarily (or by event), i.e. the player has hard to work for it to happen. In this case, the option to offer vassalization should be greyed out and the tooltip a little bit expanded.

Thank you very much for a great game.

 

[unmerged(40707)]

We enhance the game step by step. There is still much to do with diplomatic actions.

 

[Fürstbischof]

We enhance the game step by step. There is still much to do with diplomatic actions.

Some restrictions on the number of royal marriages (only modified by high dip and aristocracy?) or maybe also on the number of alliance members to hinder lopsided wars between the ai nations would be my priorities. The new EU3 expansion has also a few interesting ideas which you might borrow ...

It would be nice if you find a playable and plausible solution for those larger alliance wars: atm if one of the minor alliance members signs a separate peace it is then alone at war with the rest of the enemy alliance. And even if his alliance leader signs a treaty with the other leader this now separate war will go on. I'm not sure it works but maybe it might be enough to enforce a truce as usual between those nations which sign a treaty but don't drop them out of the alliance war, i.e. "peace inside war". But i fear a functionable solution might need more work than it's worth - and your to-do-list might have more important points.

 

[coz1]

In the new patch, I am now getting spammed with vassal requests. Not sure if it is part of this or not. I don't think my allies should be spamming me every time our relations hit +200. I am just as big (if not bigger than one of them.)

 

[unmerged(40707)]

In the changelog:
Fixed bug with disappearing messages

But AI could be clever when it is about to propose...

 

[Davisx3m]

Another vassalisation bug.

 

[unmerged(40707)]

Yes, vassals shouldn't be able to propose vassalization to their overlord. Good catch.