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Ok here is the question... what was the reason for the selection of the de facto capital as small (<50.000 inhabitants) towns? Was there any specific infrastructure or they just selected a rural spot to show how temperary the thing is?
 
Vichy as a thermal town was strategically situated, with good railway connections to Paris, easy supplies within the Auvergne region and important hotels which could welcome a lot of officials. It had to be a town which was in the unoccupied zone, so it couldn't be a town around Paris, Bordeaux, Tours or Bourges. Clermont-Ferrand which also has railway infrastructure wasn't retained due to the lack of good hotels, the large amount of workers with the Michelin industries, a local paper hostile to the armistice and many Spanish refugees. It was also decided that other important cities wouldn't be picked since they had a progressive political tradition, hostile local mayors and a large population which could rise up against Pétain.

Note that historically Tours and then Bordeaux was the capital of France in 1870-1871, as well as in 1914 for the latter, so there was a historical precedent for the government relocating. In 1940 the government had also relocated to Tours and then Bordeaux, before ending up in Clermont-Ferrand when these two cities became occupied by the Germans and finally relocating to Vichy.
 
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In the case of Salò, I would reckon it was picked because it was safer.

When the RSI was established Italy was in a huge civil war, and partisan uprisings and partisan republics sprung up everywhere. I'd imagine Salò was deemed more easily defensible.
 
Vichy as a thermal town was strategically situated, with good railway connections to Paris, easy supplies within the Auvergne region and important hotels which could welcome a lot of officials. It had to be a town which was in the unoccupied zone, so it couldn't be a town around Paris, Bordeaux, Tours or Bourges. Clermont-Ferrand which also has railway infrastructure wasn't retained due to the lack of good hotels, the large amount of workers with the Michelin industries, a local paper hostile to the armistice and many Spanish refugees. It was also decided that other important cities wouldn't be picked since they had a progressive political tradition, hostile local mayors and a large population which could rise up against Pétain.

Note that historically Tours and then Bordeaux was the capital of France in 1870-1871, as well as in 1914 for the latter, so there was a historical precedent for the government relocating. In 1940 the government had also relocated to Tours and then Bordeaux, before ending up in Clermont-Ferrand when these two cities became occupied by the Germans and finally relocating to Vichy.

Learn something new ever day, this was helpful. Thanks.
 
Picking Vichy/Salo over more prominent cities like Marseilles/Milan was a clear signal that these were only temporary residencies, with promise to return to the real capital of Paris/Rome in future. Same logic was used then picking Bonn as the capital of West Germany over Frankfurt.
 
Vichy as a thermal town was strategically situated, with good railway connections to Paris, easy supplies within the Auvergne region and important hotels which could welcome a lot of officials. It had to be a town which was in the unoccupied zone, so it couldn't be a town around Paris, Bordeaux, Tours or Bourges. Clermont-Ferrand which also has railway infrastructure wasn't retained due to the lack of good hotels, the large amount of workers with the Michelin industries, a local paper hostile to the armistice and many Spanish refugees. It was also decided that other important cities wouldn't be picked since they had a progressive political tradition, hostile local mayors and a large population which could rise up against Pétain.

Note that historically Tours and then Bordeaux was the capital of France in 1870-1871, as well as in 1914 for the latter, so there was a historical precedent for the government relocating. In 1940 the government had also relocated to Tours and then Bordeaux, before ending up in Clermont-Ferrand when these two cities became occupied by the Germans and finally relocating to Vichy.

Thanks.

Ok, so tourist locations, with lots of accomodation, but few actual permanent residents is a good choice for government with questionable legitimacy.
 
Thanks.

Ok, so tourist locations, with lots of accomodation, but few actual permanent residents is a good choice for government with questionable legitimacy.
Yes,

In the case of Vichy, everything explained by Loup is correct, but there was one last element : Laval was senator of the Puy-de-Dôme, which is just next door to Vichy.
 
Yes,

In the case of Vichy, everything explained by Loup is correct, but there was one last element : Laval was senator of the Puy-de-Dôme, which is just next door to Vichy.
And a my french friend say, can if Petain die, Laval are their successor or in a Vichy france or in a "pro axis france"
 
And a my french friend say, can if Petain die, Laval are their successor or in a Vichy france or in a "pro axis france"
Depends when.

If he dies before the end of July 1940, I suppose the Parliament would appoint a new guy, most probably a pro-German military man (a "savior".

From July to December1940, Laval as per Acte Constitutionnel 4

From December 1940 to Febuary 1941, as per Acte Constitutionnel 4 Ter, it would be appointed by the Council of Minister so probably Darlan (hard to believe it would be Flandin)

From February 1941 to November 1942, as per Acte Constitutionnel 4 Quater, it is Darlan

And from November 1942 to the end, as per Acte Constitutionnel 4 Quinquies, it is Laval again.