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jpd said:
Well, since we don't know exactly what happens under the hood when things go wrong on high end Alder lake, raptor lake or meteor lake CPU's (only Intel would know that), we also don't know if a CPU stress test would trigger the exact usage patterns the games do (those games that trigger the issue).

Case in point, on my long-ago-retired Athlon system using a VIA KT266A chipset. Almost anything ran without trouble (including various CPU stress tests), but an application I was building myself back then was constantly running into trouble. Crashing at points where it really shouldn't have. Turned out I had an issue with the memory management unit of the CPU. Which went off to different memory addresses that it was told to go to by the program.

It turned out I could move the crash point around (or even alleviate it completely) by inserting dummy instructions at specific locations in my program code. What happened was, that at certain specific memory locations, the MMU would flip a couple of bits to a different value, and thus generating a target memory address than the one that was intended. And that caused access violations to trigger.

I ultimately 'solved' the problem by ripping out the existing Athlon CPU and motherborad, and installed a new motherboard (NVidia this time) and new Athlon CPU. Never had this particular weird problem ever since.
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These chips have documented stability issues, that is correct, but suggesting that people should replace these quite expensive CPUs and Motherboards that work fine in all games except a few in order to “solve” the issue is the least customer friendly stance a developer could take.

I’m sure Pdx has access to these chips and could actually find out the cause of these game specific crashes if it wanted to.
 
FieryHero said:
These chips have documented stability issues, that is correct, but suggesting that people should replace these quite expensive CPUs and Motherboards that work fine in all games except a few in order to “solve” the issue is the least customer friendly stance a developer could take.
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I don't think @jpd was suggesting that as a fix, just describing an experience they had.

And they are not a developer or other Paradox employee, just a volunteer forum moderator.


My own take is Intel ought to replace those CPUs, but I don't like the odds!
 
So I have been reading the post here and I'm like 90% sure that my problem is related to this. I have a intel i5-13600k with a Gigabyte Aorus 790 Elite Ax.

I bought the game recently, my first game with China started crashing after 1850, always a sudden "Not responding." After some recommendations I downloaded Project Lasso and disabled all but 2 E-Cores, and the game didn't crash anymore after that. I quickly started my second game with Japan and I did, however, get these sudden freezes that un-freezed after three seconds or so. I could live with that and was able to finish the game.

But now, on my USA game, the game suddently perma-freezed around 1970, and went into not responding. If I reload the game it crashes instantly after the game loads, tried modifying the Project Lasso E-Cores, deactivating all, activating two more, and combinations like that, no avail. Worse yet, even if I reaload one or three auto saves prior, the game insta crashes as well.

It is honestly infuriating, plus I have no idea about voltages, overlocking, heat and what not. My PC is relatively new, year or so, and I honestly don't have a whole lot of money to start messing with my BIOS and do something that might mess up my CPU or other components mainly because I have no idea what I'm doing. Reading online activating this fail safe mode just overvolts the CPU which I don't feel is a very good solution. Also I wouldn't want to globally impact my CPU for all games and all my day to day use just for one game. I would like very much however to PLAY the goddamn game.

This might be a bit pretentious but if someone can somehow walk me through what stuff they would recommend doing as long as it doesn't perma-overvolt my CPU and add a 20C temp considering my refrigeration is decent at best would be amazing. I'm willing to share and info or screens you might need.

I really really want to play but I don't know how to do and follow some of the loose instructions here, which also seem to be applied to much higher end PCs seems like a bit dangrous to me, like I'll mess something up.
 
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frankuck99 said:
So I have been reading the post here and I'm like 90% sure that my problem is related to this. I have a intel i5-13600k with a Gigabyte Aorus 790 Elite Ax.

I bought the game recently, my first game with China started crashing after 1850, always a sudden "Not responding." After some recommendations I downloaded Project Lasso and disabled all but 2 E-Cores, and the game didn't crash anymore after that. I quickly started my second game with Japan and I did, however, get these sudden freezes that un-freezed after three seconds or so. I could live with that and was able to finish the game.

But now, on my USA game, the game suddently perma-freezed around 1970, and went into not responding. If I reload the game it crashes instantly after the game loads, tried modifying the Project Lasso E-Cores, deactivating all, activating two more, and combinations like that, no avail. Worse yet, even if I reaload one or three auto saves prior, the game insta crashes as well.

It is honestly infuriating, plus I have no idea about voltages, overlocking, heat and what not. My PC is relatively new, year or so, and I honestly don't have a whole lot of money to start messing with my BIOS and do something that might mess up my CPU or other components mainly because I have no idea what I'm doing. Reading online activating this fail safe mode just overvolts the CPU which I don't feel is a very good solution. Also I wouldn't want to globally impact my CPU for all games and all my day to day use just for one game. I would like very much however to PLAY the goddamn game.

This might be a bit pretentious but if someone can somehow walk me through what stuff they would recommend doing as long as it doesn't perma-overvolt my CPU and add a 20C temp considering my refrigeration is decent at best would be amazing. I'm willing to share and info or screens you might need.

I really really want to play but I don't know how to do and follow some of the loose instructions here, which also seem to be applied to much higher end PCs seems like a bit dangrous to me, like I'll mess something up.
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14900K owner here

Thankfully, I’m not experiencing crashes so numerous and intense that I can’t play The game anymore as of now, however, the best I have personally managed to achieve is playing with less numerous but still existing occasional crash to desktop with problem report screens :)

There is something wrong somewhere in these chips that the numerous articles I’ve posted here documented and discussed and Motherboard manufacturers have been releasing new BIOS updates with new settings every now and then.

For now, the best I can advise you with is making sure your BIOS is updated to the latest version first and foremost and that you are not unknowingly using the CPU out of specification, what I mean by that is Motherboards tend to apply their own set of soft overclocking or optimisation to CPUs and you need to make sure they are all toggled off, for example on ASUS which the brand of my motherboard, there is a setting called “ASUS multi-core enhancement” that essentially somewhat overclocks the chip and you need to find the equivalent of this setting on your own motherboard brand BIOS environment and make sure it is deactivated.

On my platform, ASUS a month ago removed the famous “Intel baseline profile” that it had added a month prior and added in a new “Intel default setting” setting that was on by default which aimed to disable all the extra Motherboard “optimisations” and apply Intel specific specifications. I don’t know how it is on your board or if it is implemented yet, you should go to your motherboard’s support page and look out for the latest versions and their release notes and generally look it up on the website web.

Hope this have been somewhat helpful :)
 
I installed the new version of the BIOS, which had the new "Intel Default Settings" activated by default, and went to play. Not a single crash in an 8 hour long session. So, there is that.

Thanks.
 
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So, after watching this video
and following the advice I completely fixed all the issues I was having with crashes in both V3 and Elden Ring. I was unable to start new game in 1.7 at all and had to revert back to 1.6 (which still crashed on anything but speed 2). I set the ICCMAX to 307amps and the PL1/PL2 limits both to 253 watts. Restarted and all is well.
 
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https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/1axepvu/optimizing_stability_for_intel_13900k_and_14900k

if you have a 13900k or a 14900k and a z790 motherboard you need to do this. i've had crashing problems since 1.0 and this completely solved my stability issues. intel is making these chips run super close to the limit and motherboards are applying overclocks by default which is wrecking stability. unlike undervolting, downclocking, locking to 60 fps, disabling e-cores, etc, this will not decrease your performance while fixing the issue
 
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So intel 12+ is a scam - can't be used for anything heavy lmao
 
Notme1 said:
So intel 12+ is a scam - can't be used for anything heavy lmao
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That's way to generic a statement. There is absolutely nothing wrong with i3 and i5 CPU's from the Alder Lake, Raptor Lake and Meteor Lake generations.

The problems are specific to the unlocked CPU's of the i7 and i9 types.
 
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