I thought it was a hardcoded thing (i.e. not VIP-specific). VIP might changed the prominence of it, however, with the new economic setup.
It was just a quick link which summarised points.
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I don't understand this:
Why split the carlists?
And more important, why removing Basque and Catalan from Spain national cultures? That's a nonsense. :wacko:
Why split the carlists?
And more important, why removing Basque and Catalan from Spain national cultures? That's a nonsense. :wacko:
I'm just curious as to why Austria can't become "Austria-Hungary." I mean, as Prussia or any other German state you can change your name to "Germany." So as I've said before I'm no expert at this stuff but why couldn't Austria simply have a similar event that changes the name of the country and flag to "Austria-Hungary?"
Playing as Persia 1876'ish
I had some pop-up errors (didnt get the error code since I accidently pressed ignore) also, when the game crashed, I got some c++ error, didnt get that code neither, as I accidently pressed the Enter keyo
I think the crash had something to do with the Bulgarian independence events though
I had some pop-up errors (didnt get the error code since I accidently pressed ignore) also, when the game crashed, I got some c++ error, didnt get that code neither, as I accidently pressed the Enter key
oI think the crash had something to do with the Bulgarian independence events though
There's a few reasons which were mentioned a while back in this thread. Basically:I don't understand this:
Why split the carlists?
And more important, why removing Basque and Catalan from Spain national cultures? That's a nonsense. :wacko:
1) It represents the divisions in Carlist ranks - they were fighting for their own fuero rights (i.e. Basque for Basque rights, Catalan for Catalan, etc.), amongst other things, but this was perhaps the most major factor.
2) It creates some real incentive to having a Carlist victory (i.e. more accepted cultures).
3) The alternative chains can be better represented with a separate Navarre, and recycling the U01 tag means we can afford this.
As for removing cultures from Spain, well this is to highlight the dominance of Spanish culture during the period, as well as the various nationalist aspirations of the other cultures during the period (e.g. the Renaixença in Catalonia, beginning in the 1830s and 1840s, as well as how Basque nationalism is closely entwined - at least in the beginning - with Carlism). It also partly helps balance Spain back out, though Spain still is a bit too strong.
A shortage of tags.
I didn't see it, sorry.
No. The Carlists fought by Carlos, all other things were Carlos promises. The division beetween Carlists ranks wasn't because the fueros (Where do you read it? :wacko
. It was because the leaders: Only in Catalonia Carlists leaders were disconnected beetwen them, mostly because each own ambition.Now, it's imposible to have a Carlist victory. And the very first incentive to have a Carlist victory was... To put Carlos in the throne. Now, this hardly could happen.
And a Carlist victory would never lead to "more accepted cultures" (More? All the cultures in Spain were accepted in that time! :wacko
, only to a most decentralized structure of the state.I can't imagine how, because now it's nearly impossible to reach Madrid. And for the regional event chains, I always see IA events that reannex the country to Spain. And honestly, I never had a problem with the old chain's of Carlist Spain becoming Catalonia or Navarra.
What? :wacko:
Sorry, but that a bizarre nonsense.
First, there's no "Spanish culture dominance" during the period. In fact, many people in Spain argued why Spain had Catalan and Basque cultures in Victoria and UK hasn't Scottish and Welsh cultures. Or why there's no Wallonian culture, etc...
The differences between an Aragonese and a Catalan were nearly nothing, for example. And both of them were treated exactly the same by the State. A different case were the fueros of Navarra and the Basque country, wich remained untouched until 1877.
And, obviously, Spain never repressed Basque and Catalan cultures until 1939.
Second, you converted a succession war into a nationalist war. But it's a fake. In the First Carlist War there's nothing nationalistic. Both Basque and Catalan political nationalism start in the second half of XIX Century (The Renaixença isn't a nationalist aspiration only a cultural Golden Age). Remember that fighting for mantaining your special status in the economic structure of the State isn't nationalism, simply decentralism.
Third, erasing Catalan and Basque cultures is a nonsense because they were both accepted (In Victoria terms) by the State. If you think Spain is too strong (Strange, I think is a bit too weak) search other changes, but what you have done here is like create a Scottish culture and erase it from UK, or create an Occitan culture in France and erase it (And this is more logical, because France didn't recognize Occitan, Breton or Corsican cultures).
P.S: When I said in the Spanish Forum that the VIP 0.4 erased both cultures from accepted ones and splited the Carlists beetwen two nations wich nationalism didn't exist until decades after, everybody go :wacko:. Even the nationalists. I think it's a clearly proof that you failed when you erased both Catalan and Basque cultures from the accepted ones in Spain (Wich were all of the cultures in the country aside colonies) and by spliting arbitrarily the Carlist movement.
Yes, and why did they fight for Carlos? Because of his promises to them, perhaps? Because the Ancien Regime he represented protected their individual rights?No. The Carlists fought by Carlos, all other things were Carlos promises. The division beetween Carlists ranks wasn't because the fueros (Where do you read it? :wacko
It's not impossible. In fact, the AI now holds in there a lot longer (it can actually reach 1838/1839 now), so you should be able to defeat Spain fine (we did in testing).
In the sense of rights for Basque and Catalan peoples being allowed, i.e. a degree of autonomy showing an equal footing. This wasn't the case in Isabelino Spain, hence the rise in nationalist aspirations for these peoples.And a Carlist victory would never lead to "more accepted cultures" (More? All the cultures in Spain were accepted in that time! :wacko
Yes, in all-AI situations there are these events. This is to prevent the crash bug where Spain is annexed and then reformed, and thereby caused the crash. In player situations you get an event which tells you to save and reload.
Okay, you make your point with this one. We'll add the cultures back in and look for different changes to Spain (though I really can't see what could be done otherwise with respect to it).
However, the Carlists shall remain separated. You are right that it's a fight of traditionalism vs. liberalism, but (as with so many of these things during the period) there were subtle nationalist undertones in the 'fighting for the fueros', etc. The big one here is also the alternative chains and the tag shortage - we need that U01 for an alternative Navarre state (there's a chain developed about Carlos becoming the King of Navarre or Catalonia, and relinquishing claims on Spain, yet if there is no Navarre then the chain makes little sense).
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Individual rights? They fight for Carlos because he represented all what good people "wishes": Absolutism, Catholicism (Reinstaurating the Inquisition, for example), Fatherland and Fueros (Don't touch my money, decadent and pesky liberal
).Precisely, the individual rights was liberal bullshit, all good people knew it.
Ok, you are better than me.
oBut if with all the Carlists it's harder for me to reach Madrid, with only half of them... Better I give up.
The fueros wasn't an equal footing. They were a privilege rserved only for some territories (Navarra, Basques...). The rest had no fueros. With the Fuero's system, an Andalusian or a Castillian pay more taxes than a Basque, for example.
Ok. I didn't know this.
Did you added the other two Carlists wars? Political turmoil of XIX century Spain could be a good option.
I know, I played sometimes as Catalonia and Navarra.
Did you think in changing King of Catalonia for King of Aragon?
It's definitely something which we have wanted to get included for a while now. Spain is a bit bland in the middle of the century, when really there should be so much more going on.
What do you mean? Renaming Catalonia to Aragon?
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Anyway, I've begun making the hotfix today, and top of the list is re-adding the cultures back to Spain. I guess I was a bit short-sighted with that one (though there was some discussion on it a while back), and so I apologise.
Also, just to set the record straight, I'm in no way anti-Spanish. My personal preference is to have Catalonia and the Basque country (as well as other regions of Spain, but these two in particular who seem to be most pro-independence out of the lot) remain part of Spain in this day and age.
Good to hear it.
Yes, and giving to it his COREs, adding few parties, etc...
Don't worry, there's no need for an apology.
Good to hear it.
Yes, these two are the most pro-independence, but fortunately the separatists are a minority (Even if a noisy minority).
I think we'll stick with Catalonia for the time being. If there was more tags available then it's something worth considering (there's only two left, IIRC, and still a fair bit of work to be done which might require there being more historical countries from the time period).
Then I think the increases are far to severe as they are utterly unable to do anything without me bankrupting myself subsidizing them, its only 1850's I only teched the economic techs as russia is because I needed the money, I maybe got the first 2-3 of each category.
Did the invention "Monopoly Structure" or "Oligopoly Structure" fire? I've noticed that if these fire in the earlier years in a developing economy it can be very difficult for capitalists to get off the ground. The events raise the cost of buildings significantly for both the state and capitalists.
Spain gets too strong? Never seen a VIP game where they ever ranked higher than #8...
I've seen them higher, but typically being around #8 is too high - they push the Ottomans out of that GP spot.
One thought on Spain is the money it gets from the Caribbean sugar provinces until the end of the 19th century. Sugar seems to be priced slightly too high - I would like to see it come down, at the very least so immigrants to the U.S. do not move to Louisiana.
Just out of curiosity, how is Bosnia handled with the current setup of AH, as it was an Imperial land, so as much austrian than hungarn?
It'll still be Austrian. As mentioned, Austria still represents the imperial side of A-H too (which is why it is the master, changes flag, etc.).Just out of curiosity, how is Bosnia handled with the current setup of AH, as it was an Imperial land, so as much austrian than hungarn?
While playing as a Texas i got event early Texas industry which had three choices of what sort of factory i would want. Problem is that in two of the choices i would lose money but not gain factory. I think this was because i had not gotten event which would make it possible to build said factories.
No, they are not. Back from XVIII century at least Poles formed a majority in areas (not only cities) near Grodno, Vilnius and Brest.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Mother_tongue_poland_1931_census.png
This is a census from 1931. Those lands (Kresy) couldn't be polonised in 13 years, because they did belong to Russian Empire. Some more maps:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...lities_in_Second_Polish_Republic_ca._1931.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...kerungsverteilung_Ostmitteleuropa_um_1918.jpg
Kaunas wasn't part of Second Polish Republic. Was it polonised as well?
I am not a nationalist, nor irredentist, I don't support reclaiming those territories- but in these times, we formed a majority back there, righteful or not.
And another thing- Serbs in Vojvodina- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Vojvodina#1840
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