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Who's we? Poles? Jews? Let's look at this without pre-determined national atitude, shall we?
I would like to disagree. Wikipedia is not the best source. These maps were created by Polish historians - and I'm sure Lithuanian, Belorussian or Jewish ones could show other maps showing their nation's dominance in the area. In fact, history of Vilnius, Grodno, other lands of Poland, Belarus and Lithuania is very complicated and viewed differently by each countrys historians. Even now there are strong Polish claims on Vilnius region and quite a tense situation with local Polish minorities.
Here's Russian census of 1897 - http://demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/rus_lan_97_uezd_eng.php?reg=90
Quite a solid and trusted official source. I believe we can trust these numbers. A lot of other sources (mostly ones of Jewish history) indicate a large Jewish minority (or majority)? But yes, it's mostly urban.
A very intersting article: http://www.ucis.pitt.edu/nceeer/2004_819-06g_Weeks.pdf
It raises some very interesting ideas and problems. Are you Polish because you chose to speak Polish? Because you got Polish education? It's very hard to know for sure. There are many romantic stories, literature works about people of that region having trouble to distinguish their identity. Can you choose your identity? Belorussian historians would say that no matter what language did these people speak, culturally they were Belorussians. So many men, so many thoughts.
I would also like to object including Kapsukas region in Poland. Borders of administrative regions of Russian empire ignored national and cultural ones. So, once more, we should only prove our opinions with solid, trusted third-party sources.
CTD: Dutch Intervention In Northeastern Borneo
I've had a Crash To Disk 3 times in a row as Dutch East Indies when the 'Dutch Intervention In Northeastern Borneo' event fires. Last time, it crashed on May 18 1879. It happens the second I try to move the mouse over to the pop-up box.
I've had a Crash To Disk 3 times in a row as Dutch East Indies when the 'Dutch Intervention In Northeastern Borneo' event fires. Last time, it crashed on May 18 1879. It happens the second I try to move the mouse over to the pop-up box.
I've chosen the form "we" because I am Polish, as you can see in m CP. That's good stuff, Polish maps and censuses are not to be trusted, but the Russian ones are surely very accurate :rofl:
So, that's the thing- those trecherous Poles formed majority near Bialystok, Grodno, and SURELY Vilnius. But Lithuanians could be insulted because during the Interbellum period there was about 1,000 of them in the Vilnius region, so let's make them a majority.
I understand that some people can't understand the deep of great change of population in Central and Eastern Europe after WWII. Even for me, as for a bad, lying Pole, it's strange that 70 years ago there was so little of evil Poles in Western Pommerania (or Eastern, if you are German), and now there are almost no minorities here. My ancestors are from Vilnius and Lviv. As I have said, I am not a nationalist (as you can see in my signature) and I don't fight for "polonisation" of these regions just because. I argue for historical corectness. Read something about history of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. 1836 is just 41 years after its fall, and during this period (and before of course) many nobles chose the Polish culture instead of Lithuanian or Ruthenian, and after them, many other people, mainly from cities. Poles forming a deep minority in province of Bialystok is a very bad and inaccurate joke
So, that's the thing- those trecherous Poles formed majority near Bialystok, Grodno, and SURELY Vilnius. But Lithuanians could be insulted because during the Interbellum period there was about 1,000 of them in the Vilnius region, so let's make them a majority.
I understand that some people can't understand the deep of great change of population in Central and Eastern Europe after WWII. Even for me, as for a bad, lying Pole, it's strange that 70 years ago there was so little of evil Poles in Western Pommerania (or Eastern, if you are German), and now there are almost no minorities here. My ancestors are from Vilnius and Lviv. As I have said, I am not a nationalist (as you can see in my signature) and I don't fight for "polonisation" of these regions just because. I argue for historical corectness. Read something about history of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. 1836 is just 41 years after its fall, and during this period (and before of course) many nobles chose the Polish culture instead of Lithuanian or Ruthenian, and after them, many other people, mainly from cities. Poles forming a deep minority in province of Bialystok is a very bad and inaccurate joke
No need to react so angrily. I never said anyone lied or was evil or trecherous. I chose Russian census because it's third party. I ignore Polish, Lithuanian, Belorussian sources because they all show very different numbers. I don't want to say all of them (or at least two parties) lied. I'd say they altered the numbers to suit the compilcated political situation of those times. Example: polonised Kaunas. Seems like an excuse for the Lithuanian-Polish war of 1920.
Of course, we could disagree about the numbers of Russian population in those regions - Russian administration could've increased them, I do not deny it. But for what purpose? And it's not Russians we're discussing, right? I also do not deny the majority of Poles during the interwar period - but that's after WW1, isn't it? Don't you think that such event like a world war would drastically increase migration? Populations had changed not only after WW2. Have you even checked the source I gave? It clearly shows a lot of Poles living in those regions. They form majority in Bialystok, while Ukrainians - in Brest-Litovsk, Belorussians - in Grodno, and Lithuanians exceed Poles in Vilnius (Wilno, Vilno, Vilna?) only by 3000, only to be exceeded by Belorussians.
What you say is true that a lot of nobility chose Polish identities in times of Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. One question: did nobility form the larger part of population? I don't think so. Perhaps I'm wrong, and those provinces were inhabited only by self-sufficient Polish nobility and nobody else.
So I'll stick to my opinion that Russian census in the best source for this period, and as we have no sources from earlier times, it's the best we can have, even though it's not 100% accurate.
I'm glad that Paradox are not following a Polish version of XIX-XX century history of Eastern Europe, but are trying to balance things out. As you know, history is written by victoriuos ones, not the losers (Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania in this case).
And you don't have to emphasize your nationality all the time. It does not add objectiveness and it makes me think your historical correctness is emotion-based.
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Kapsukas is the name for Mariampole, which is called that both today and was called that in the times of the Russian Empire. Mariampole was part of the Augustow palatinate and later on of the Suwalki governorate of the Kingdom of Poland, even when the Kingdom ceased to exist anywhere else but on paper. The province of Kapsukas as it is in gameplay represents more or less the north-eastern border of Congress Poland as it always was. Right now the border just doesn't go far enough.
So yes, I do think that if we have a gameplay state of Congress Poland, the Kapsukas province should be in it, if just for flavour purposes than for anything else. And if people come around to splitting the silly-huge Congress Poland state to bits, Kapsukas should be taken into the lot for a rearranged Vistulan Country.
Of course, do note that this particular issue of state-splitting and rearranging is not that huge an issue nor is it high up the priority list.
As of why Kapsukas should be a core: there's an ahistoric event chain in VIP to make Poland into a Russian dominion. Given the current cores, Russia would release Poland without that province, which is silly.
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My bad. A quick search revealed that in 1807, after the French army's victory against Prussia, Marijampole was placed under the control of the Duchy of Warsaw. So I guess Poland should have it as a core province in 1807 - 1918. Interestingly, Poland being or becoming independent earlier than it did would mean even more territorial problems with Lithuania, and would make historical outcome even more difficult to achieve.
Someone scripting WW1 and it's aftermath will have a lot of hours spent thinking how to make everything more or less historical
I wrote that some years AFTER the nobility was polonised, the masses did so as well. Of course, Polish people colonised these areas.
Russians had their interest in lowering Polish population. After the Napoleonic Wars they promised to give as so called "Ziemie Zabrane" (Western Krai in English, and in Russian nomenclature) containing of non-Polish territories like Minsk or Vitebsk, but of places like Grodno, Vilnius and Bialystok as well. They had their interest in lowering Polish population there because it would be a good excuse why they don't attack these lands to Congress Poland.
So surely, I wouldn't call them THIRD PARTY
I thing thah in this period, the Russian Empire is the victorious party, not Poles, nor are Lithuanians, Belarussians or Ukrainians
Another thing- I am a slavophile and russophile, so I hope that nobody will charge me of russophobia because I don't trust the Tsarist censuses
Russians had their interest in lowering Polish population. After the Napoleonic Wars they promised to give as so called "Ziemie Zabrane" (Western Krai in English, and in Russian nomenclature) containing of non-Polish territories like Minsk or Vitebsk, but of places like Grodno, Vilnius and Bialystok as well. They had their interest in lowering Polish population there because it would be a good excuse why they don't attack these lands to Congress Poland.
So surely, I wouldn't call them THIRD PARTY
I thing thah in this period, the Russian Empire is the victorious party, not Poles, nor are Lithuanians, Belarussians or Ukrainians
Another thing- I am a slavophile and russophile, so I hope that nobody will charge me of russophobia because I don't trust the Tsarist censuses
Ok, will look into it. It seems a bit odd as the scripting seems fine.
I get a CTD in a savegame with the following circumstances:
1) I am playing as Russia
2) Hungary is independent
3) I guarantee the independence of Hungary
4) Shortly, Hungary becomes involved in a war with Austria, and asks me to honour the guarantee I gave them
5) The game CTDs
1) I am playing as Russia
2) Hungary is independent
3) I guarantee the independence of Hungary
4) Shortly, Hungary becomes involved in a war with Austria, and asks me to honour the guarantee I gave them
5) The game CTDs
I wrote that some years AFTER the nobility was polonised, the masses did so as well. Of course, Polish people colonised these areas.
Russians had their interest in lowering Polish population. After the Napoleonic Wars they promised to give as so called "Ziemie Zabrane" (Western Krai in English, and in Russian nomenclature) containing of non-Polish territories like Minsk or Vitebsk, but of places like Grodno, Vilnius and Bialystok as well. They had their interest in lowering Polish population there because it would be a good excuse why they don't attack these lands to Congress Poland.
So surely, I wouldn't call them THIRD PARTY
I thing thah in this period, the Russian Empire is the victorious party, not Poles, nor are Lithuanians, Belarussians or Ukrainians
Another thing- I am a slavophile and russophile, so I hope that nobody will charge me of russophobia because I don't trust the Tsarist censuses
Once more - being russophile or russophobe is not a criterion.
Well, personally, I think that Russian sources are more accurate as we're talking about further conflicts between Poland and Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania. And in those conflicts Poland emerged as a winner, that's what I meant. Of course, your thesis about the attitude of Russian administration towards Congress Poland is new to me, and, perhaps, would likely be true. But wait, it's 1897. Is Congress Poland still effective? I thought it ceased to exist, after the uprisings, in 1865 or, another version, in 1875. And, by the way, tsar also had intentions to supress national movements in Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania, and he actually did that.
And all these talks about polonisation... I wanted to show that actually we have very little data to support those very popular claims. In my view it's more like a romanticed history to support interwar nationalism and Polish control over those regions, as there is no data (I haven't found any) about the nationality of the masses in those regions.
I'm sorry if I insulted you in any way. I just wanted to oppose the proposed changes, which, in my opinion, had no real basis.
After all, the fight over this has been going for nearly 100 years. We have a new commonwealth now, it's the EU. And it seems it's performing much better than the old one
We shouldn't let old friends to become enemies once again - that would be a dead end, as it was 100 years ago.
I see we can agree on this point, EU is a great idea and I pray for evolving European integration
Still, territories of former Congress Poland (after 1863) were called "Privislansky Krai" (Vistulan Country in English). We had some degree of still defuncting autonomy. Last Polish revolution was that of 1905- and many Poles fought in it not only in former CP, but in Western Krai ("Taken Lands") as well !
Still, territories of former Congress Poland (after 1863) were called "Privislansky Krai" (Vistulan Country in English). We had some degree of still defuncting autonomy. Last Polish revolution was that of 1905- and many Poles fought in it not only in former CP, but in Western Krai ("Taken Lands") as well !
Could you upload a save game from jsut before this CTD and then send me the link please?
As Japan I've annexed Hawaii immediately after the Meiji Restoration, but- despite having about seven 30k pops in Kyoto unassigned- I'm getting no migration to there or to my later colonies (Samoa and Tidore). Instead my unassigned pops are moving to places like Osaka. Is this because Japanese pops are short-range?
Yes. Japanese POPs will never move that far away.
Getting any POPs to move to Oceania, even if they're long-range, may be impossible.
I can, but I can't find where the savegames are stored - am not sure if this is more to do with VIP:R or Win 7 - any ideas?
Liquidation of Assets
Now playing The OE; I've noticed the Liquidation of Assets event has twice fired with this result: "al_institution.bmp . That's the message you see when you hover over the pop-up box. There does not seem to be any other effect.
Now playing The OE; I've noticed the Liquidation of Assets event has twice fired with this result: "al_institution.bmp . That's the message you see when you hover over the pop-up box. There does not seem to be any other effect.
I'd prefer file hosting if possible - I don't really want to go giving an email address out.
Likely to be in your virtual store.
See: "<your username>\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\<your installation directory>". To see the "AppData" part you might need to adjust your settings to see hidden folders. For the installation directory part, that's likely to be Program Files, and follow from there.
That looks more like the name of the image which should show up (I'm assuming "financial_institution.bmp". It's very strange that you'd get that for a tooltip.
Anyway, that event is actually an invention which I don't believe we have touched. It should increase the likelihood of event 23071 (was "Private Initiative", though VIP has it's own chains for these, so need to alter the invention) of firing by 25% (and you should get a tooltip which says something along those lines). The tooltip issue isn't something which we've altered either, so I'm assuming it's a game engine issue.