[VV]ambitions for minor titles not shown in character overview

[mate0815]

when i´m playing rome, ambitions for minor titles like become_pontifex (or pontifix ) or become_soldier_tribun are shown in the character-overview and in the single-char-screenie.

in other nations, esp. in monarchies, such ambitions for minor titles like cupbearer or huntsman are not shown in the overview nor shown in the single-character-screen.

 

[Silktrader]

I can't duplicate the issue, for monarchies, tribes or republics: specifically, all the characters I come by (by sorting objectives) have one - but very young folks. I can see objectives (huntsman, cupbearer, physician) in both panels: portrait and overview.

Is there any scenario, or (You guessed it) savegame, where the issue shows ...

 

[mate0815]

now i try to check the issue.

in attachment you find 2 screenies - no ambition is shown, but the messagepopup say, that the char get this ambition.

after that i took a look at the savegamefile and wonder about: there is no line with reporting, that any char hold any of the ambition cupbearer, physian, seneshall or huntsman.

and after i give the char the title, the icon for the title is shown, in savegame its reported, that the char hold the title - but the messagepopup for fullfilling an ambition is missing (and in the log the same).

actually i have installed the hotfix-minimod, my german-translation and rimp1.3

but i have noticed this before with a "naked" vanilla.

edit: i added a savegame with a "naked" vv-installation without any changes which shows all of the problem i described. i played mecadonia from 474.

 

[Silktrader]

Mate0815:

A. You need to sleep, there are bags under Your eyes showing. When I wake up in the morning, and read Your nightly bugreports, my cereals dry up.

B. You provide two screenshots, featuring characters which are not existent in Your attached savegame.

C. For debugging purposes, in this case: be sure that Your "messagetypes.txt", within the "interface" folder, sports:

OBJECTIVEACHIEVED={
log=yes
onmap=no
popup=yes
idle=no
option=no
pausepopup=no
}

OBJECTIVEACQUIRED={
log=yes
onmap=no
popup=yes
idle=no
option=no
pausepopup=no
}

It'll be easier to spot issues, should You have different settings.

D. Ambitions are actually reported in savegames. To find exactly which active, and past ambitions Your character featured: check His name (let's say "Ptolemy Keraunos"), look for His character ID, in the savegame ("290001"). Matching His ID (searching for it) will eventually lead You to His "active_objective" entries.

E. Load Egypt, in the 474 scenario: several characters should feature "Seneschal", "Huntsman", etc. ambitions. Those ambitions are clearly displayed in the interface, and You are notified when they satisfy them. I personally also get notifications, when those characters fill their ambitions. Don't You.

F. If You save the Egyptian start, You will notice a plethora of character featuring "cupbearer" or "huntsman" as objective - in the savegame.

 

[mate0815]

good morning, silktrader.

A. i´m so sorry about your health - i´ll make my comments better in daytime.

B. the screenies are from a game with all of my changes (rimp, localisation etc.). and for make it sure, thats not a problem with these changes i started a vanilla-game later, where the savegame is from. i did´nt made screenies from that game ´cause they shows the same problem (but for different chars of course).

C. surely you mean the "messagetypes_custom.txt" and there are shown exactly this values.

D. there are a lot of ambitions save in the savegame - but no ambition to one of the minor titles i found. and some chars get such an ambition - i saved this savegame after char 290026 (poseidippus) want to become cupbearer and i gave the title to him.

E. & F. will check it.

 

[mate0815]

hmm, i can´t duplicate your points in E. & F.

i started a (vanilla - unmodded) new game with egypt. on april, 2. 474 a popup and logmessage report, that the char Magas (420001) get the ambition become_seneshall. no report at char-overview or tooltipp of the char. on 4.7. i gave him the title as its shown in the first screenie. no popup or logmessage inform about the fullfilling of the ambition due 4.10.

in savegame i found, that the char get the title, but no info about his ambition to this title. the same for the second char lycophron (110071) which is shown in screenie 2.

whats wrong? :wacko:

 

[mate0815]

i noticed, this bug is still present in vv2.1

 

[mate0815]

it seems, the reason for this is a not correct working trigger "is_courtier". ´cause if i comment it out in the abort-section, the title ambitions are shown in character-overview and the title can be given with all of its bonuses. i know, it´s not realy a good way to comment the trigger out, but if it isn´t working, its ok.

this is now included in the Unofficial Hotfixes Minimod for VV2.1

 

[iniudan]

I got that bug also but it only ever happened to a specific character who happen to be the third heir when you start a Macedonia game in 474 (sorry forgot his exact name) and only when his ambition were to become one of those 4 minor title.