I decided to make this it's own dedicated thread on this forum. Copied straight from the historical accuracy suggestion thread:
I think Vychegda Perm should be added to the game. The region was settled at the time era of the game and connected Bjarmia to Perm. The region was first inhabited by the Vanvizdin culture from 4th to 10th centuries and the Vym culture from 10th to 14th centuries. I think they should be represented by the Permian culture in the game. The Vym culture was more concentrated around Vym river and middle Vychegda while Vanvizdin was present in Pechora and over all at a wider range.
Here's my suggestions for how to implement it to CK3
Duchy of Mezen - A little less populated at the time period, but some settlements did exist at the time, connected to both Vym and Vanvizdin cultures. Exist largely for gameplay purposes to connect to Bjarmia alongside the lower Vychegda duchy
Mezen (capital)
1 - Smolokurnya
2 - Usogorsk (capital)
Upper Mezen
3 - Shesty (capital)
4 - Pizhma
Duchy of Vym - The main concentration of settlements during the Vym culture but also settled during the Vanvizdin culture, should perhaps have a couple temples after 1066 to represent the population growing there.
Izhma
5 - Cherno-Borskoe (capital)
6 - Izhma
Vym (capital)
7 - Evda
8 - Karuvshorskoe
9 - Ust-Vym (capital)
Petkoisky
10 - Kedvavymsky
11 - Kichilkosky
12 - Petkoisky (capital)
Duchy of Lower Vychegda - Very unpopulated but also for gameplay and historical purposes, as this was the way from which Permians were conquered by Novgorod and Stepen of Perm started to preach for the Komi people.
Lensky (capital)
13 - Lensky (capital)
14 - Kotlas - Pyras for Finno-Ugric characters
Karybyvskoe
15 - Chervinsky
16 - Karybyvskoe (capital)
Duchy of Ust-Sysol - The centre and heart of the Vychegda Perm and the following Komi Republic. Has some connecting provinces to Perm that are a bit unsettled historically but there's enough to warrant it from a gameplay standpoint.
Vanvizdin
17 - Ozyag
18 - Shoinaty
19 - Vanvizdin (capital)
Donty - Should probably be under the rule of Perm de facto as the baronies here are largely based on Rodanovo (Permyak) culture settlements, maybe should even be part of Perm? If so then split off Donty to Ust-Sysol and move Plesensky and Pokchinskoe to their own county as a part of Perm
20 - Donty (capital)
21 - Plesensky
22 - Pokchinskoe
Ust-Sysol (capital) also Kingdom capital
23 - Ust-Sysol (capital)
24 - Vis
25 - Votchinsky
Duchy of Pechora - This region was largely inhabited by the Vanvizdin culture even at the start of the game, not by Vym culture. Vym culture is actually a mixture of Rodanovo and a local middle Vychegda variant of Vanvizdin culture, but the Pechora and upper Vychegda variants continued on well to the 13th century. I don't think they need their own culture but I guess it could be interesting as one. Pretty populated during the Vanvizdin culture and the largest duchy by far.
Kuz-Vomyn
26 - Kuz-Vomyn (capital)
27 - Yagkodzhky
28 - Pasa-Shor
Upper Pechora
29 - Yagtydin (capital)
30 - Kaninskaya
Kodach (capital)
31 - Yagtydin
32 - Kodach (capital)
Bichvink
33 - Pechora
34 - Bichvink (capital)
35 - Kozhva
Peschanka
36 - Lyzha
37 - Peschanka (capital)
38 - Shelyabozh
All counties should be capital only besides maybe Vym with a few temples at 1066. Perhaps one temple in Pechora too at 867 to represent the high population of Vanvizdin culture there.
As for Kingdoms I think there should be a kingdom of Vychegda and it should be a part of Russia, as it was historically conquered by Novgorod and christianized before Perm. Although an empire of Perm would work I think it would make forming Russia too easy. However it is worth entertaining I suppose, perhaps you could form it if you completely control Bjarmia, Vychegda and Perm and are either Bjarmian or Permian.
I sincerely hope to reach out to Paradox because I believe this territory of Russia would unite Perm and the Northern Europe further. Perhaps by making the Vychegda and Pechora major rivers would help with this a lot, as there's evidence of trade between Europe and the Near East in Vychegda Perm.
Sources
cyberleninka.ru
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nasledie-archive.ru
www.zamky.com.ua
Page 118 has a map of all Vanvizdin culture sites and page 123 has a map of all Vym culture sites, although there are a couple that are not mapped out especially on the middle Vychegda
I am open to any criticism and additional information if anybody has any more information for the region
I think Vychegda Perm should be added to the game. The region was settled at the time era of the game and connected Bjarmia to Perm. The region was first inhabited by the Vanvizdin culture from 4th to 10th centuries and the Vym culture from 10th to 14th centuries. I think they should be represented by the Permian culture in the game. The Vym culture was more concentrated around Vym river and middle Vychegda while Vanvizdin was present in Pechora and over all at a wider range.
Here's my suggestions for how to implement it to CK3
Duchy of Mezen - A little less populated at the time period, but some settlements did exist at the time, connected to both Vym and Vanvizdin cultures. Exist largely for gameplay purposes to connect to Bjarmia alongside the lower Vychegda duchy
Mezen (capital)
1 - Smolokurnya
2 - Usogorsk (capital)
Upper Mezen
3 - Shesty (capital)
4 - Pizhma
Duchy of Vym - The main concentration of settlements during the Vym culture but also settled during the Vanvizdin culture, should perhaps have a couple temples after 1066 to represent the population growing there.
Izhma
5 - Cherno-Borskoe (capital)
6 - Izhma
Vym (capital)
7 - Evda
8 - Karuvshorskoe
9 - Ust-Vym (capital)
Petkoisky
10 - Kedvavymsky
11 - Kichilkosky
12 - Petkoisky (capital)
Duchy of Lower Vychegda - Very unpopulated but also for gameplay and historical purposes, as this was the way from which Permians were conquered by Novgorod and Stepen of Perm started to preach for the Komi people.
Lensky (capital)
13 - Lensky (capital)
14 - Kotlas - Pyras for Finno-Ugric characters
Karybyvskoe
15 - Chervinsky
16 - Karybyvskoe (capital)
Duchy of Ust-Sysol - The centre and heart of the Vychegda Perm and the following Komi Republic. Has some connecting provinces to Perm that are a bit unsettled historically but there's enough to warrant it from a gameplay standpoint.
Vanvizdin
17 - Ozyag
18 - Shoinaty
19 - Vanvizdin (capital)
Donty - Should probably be under the rule of Perm de facto as the baronies here are largely based on Rodanovo (Permyak) culture settlements, maybe should even be part of Perm? If so then split off Donty to Ust-Sysol and move Plesensky and Pokchinskoe to their own county as a part of Perm
20 - Donty (capital)
21 - Plesensky
22 - Pokchinskoe
Ust-Sysol (capital) also Kingdom capital
23 - Ust-Sysol (capital)
24 - Vis
25 - Votchinsky
Duchy of Pechora - This region was largely inhabited by the Vanvizdin culture even at the start of the game, not by Vym culture. Vym culture is actually a mixture of Rodanovo and a local middle Vychegda variant of Vanvizdin culture, but the Pechora and upper Vychegda variants continued on well to the 13th century. I don't think they need their own culture but I guess it could be interesting as one. Pretty populated during the Vanvizdin culture and the largest duchy by far.
Kuz-Vomyn
26 - Kuz-Vomyn (capital)
27 - Yagkodzhky
28 - Pasa-Shor
Upper Pechora
29 - Yagtydin (capital)
30 - Kaninskaya
Kodach (capital)
31 - Yagtydin
32 - Kodach (capital)
Bichvink
33 - Pechora
34 - Bichvink (capital)
35 - Kozhva
Peschanka
36 - Lyzha
37 - Peschanka (capital)
38 - Shelyabozh
All counties should be capital only besides maybe Vym with a few temples at 1066. Perhaps one temple in Pechora too at 867 to represent the high population of Vanvizdin culture there.
As for Kingdoms I think there should be a kingdom of Vychegda and it should be a part of Russia, as it was historically conquered by Novgorod and christianized before Perm. Although an empire of Perm would work I think it would make forming Russia too easy. However it is worth entertaining I suppose, perhaps you could form it if you completely control Bjarmia, Vychegda and Perm and are either Bjarmian or Permian.
I sincerely hope to reach out to Paradox because I believe this territory of Russia would unite Perm and the Northern Europe further. Perhaps by making the Vychegda and Pechora major rivers would help with this a lot, as there's evidence of trade between Europe and the Near East in Vychegda Perm.
Sources
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I am open to any criticism and additional information if anybody has any more information for the region
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