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Change of Dynastic Culture

Seems to me this cant be working as designed.
1. Started 1066 as Brandenburg
2. Married Irish girl with good stats.
3. Sons almost all irish
4. Heir irish, when he takes over all clones start becoming irish, all children irish
5. All captured pagan lands gradually start converting to catholic and you guessed it IRISH
While Ive got nothing against irleand and I like a Guiness and irish folk music more than most ( hell i even lived in the country) it seems nonsense to me
for this to occur.
 
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definitively a WAD. since the children can get the culture from either one of the parents, or the province culture.

and, historicaly correct, since many noble families changed their original culture during the course of history.

ie. the zapolya originated from croatia, and turned out hungarian, and so on...

perhaps there is a tweak for irish luck so all your children turned out irish?
 
perhaps

but importing one person ( ok with likely a few servants) is highly unlikely to cause such a radical change.. i could point out croatia and hungary are neighbours.. ireland and brandenburg are a rather long way apart and likey other influences hads an impact in the croatian case i.e. Superiority of culture, leige was hungarian etc etc.
where really speaking of a situation where all the minor noblilty, officals etc where german, living in a duchy bordering other german lands, and who when attmepting to influence their new conquests where hardly like to start teaching the prussians ther virtues of Guinness and the spud ( yes i know it wanst in europe at the time but you know what i mean) .
If it is WAD then its historical nonsense, and im rather disapointed with paradoxes approach, when elenor of aquitaine married edward the something england didnt sudenly become french, rather she and her children became english.
 
you don't know a lot about croatia and hungary. :rolleyes: the lingual barrier kept the cultural one for a millenia... ...and if only i were smart enough to learn hungarian nowadays... so, irish and german probably have more in common than croatian and hungarian in 1066...

there is no definition of similar cultures in ck

it is simply that your duke married a temperamental irish lass(kinda like maureen o'hara, or perhaps scarlet)
 
I'm not sure this is a bug either.

feedback for now.:)
 
In my experience the father's culture tends to be dominant, as it should be. Occasionally children will get the culture of their province of residence (apparently capital for rulers). I don't know the exact percentage chance of these happening though. IMO it should be something like 80% father, 15% mother, 5% province.
 
What effects does a person's culture have, besides when chosing names and determening culture when a pagan province converts?
 
the only effect is what the exported eu scenario countries will end up. no effect in ck.
 
Brownbeard said:
the only effect is what the exported eu scenario countries will end up. no effect in ck.
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Incorrect. It determines which army sprite the province regiment will use. Consequently steppe pagan group, eastern european group and scandinavian group offer the best cultures while the forest pagan group and arabic culture are rather dull. ;)
 
Väinö I said:
Incorrect. It determines which army sprite the province regiment will use. Consequently steppe pagan group, eastern european group and scandinavian group offer the best cultures while the forest pagan group and arabic culture are rather dull. ;)
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what effect do different army sprites have? :wacko:
 
krispin said:
If it is WAD then its historical nonsense, and im rather disapointed with paradoxes approach, when elenor of aquitaine married edward the something england didnt sudenly become french, rather she and her children became english.
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I'm kind of surprised to hear this....My understanding was that Richard the Lionhearted (son of Eleanor of Aquitaine and heir to Edward) didn't even speak English...

Children inheriting the mother's culture should be possible.....Now, with that said, I'm not so sure that those types of cultural influences should impact provinces...(I can see a province in the kingdom inheriting the culture of the kingdom.....but I don't believe it would inherit the culture of the liege -Think of the way William of Normandy's descendants were eventually "Anglicised" or the Normans(Norsemen) were "Frenchified".

Anyway, My only point in support of this thread is this: If I'm Portuguese and marry a French wife, the territories I conquer should not convert to French someday because my son inherited his mother's culture...I tend to think of culture changes in a region as being due to the influx of people from the Kindom it is now a part of...not to the culture of the ruling family.

Bottom Line: Dynastic culture I believe is handled well, but provinces that inherit a culture should inherit that of the kingdom, not of the dynasty.
 
It has a huge effect on the Byzantine Empire. I started out as Greek Orthodox, but somehow ended up with a Southern Slavonic family. As it was pointed out, all children are now SS, country cloned cousins (or whatever we're calling them now) are SS, etc. The bad news is that Greek Orthodox vassals of the Emperor get +1% loyalty bonus and with all these Southern Slavonic family members, it will only be a matter of time before I'm having a lot of vassals without that bonus. And the Empire is hard enough to keep together as it is. Not to mention conquered pagan and Muslim provinces turning into Southern Slavonic...that just doesn't make sense.
 
kehnn said:
I'm kind of surprised to hear this....My understanding was that Richard the Lionhearted (son of Eleanor of Aquitaine and heir to Edward) didn't even speak English...

Children inheriting the mother's culture should be possible.....Now, with that said, I'm not so sure that those types of cultural influences should impact provinces...(I can see a province in the kingdom inheriting the culture of the kingdom.....but I don't believe it would inherit the culture of the liege -Think of the way William of Normandy's descendants were eventually "Anglicised" or the Normans(Norsemen) were "Frenchified".

Anyway, My only point in support of this thread is this: If I'm Portuguese and marry a French wife, the territories I conquer should not convert to French someday because my son inherited his mother's culture...I tend to think of culture changes in a region as being due to the influx of people from the Kindom it is now a part of...not to the culture of the ruling family.

Bottom Line: Dynastic culture I believe is handled well, but provinces that inherit a culture should inherit that of the kingdom, not of the dynasty.
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might be so, my point was more in the long term families tend to adopt the language and culture of where they live, not where one parent might have come from. Otherwise agree with you completely, apart from there should be a higher chance of children adopting thel ocal culture , which would solve my problem, not that a problem exists in game terms...
My game would make a rather interesting EU2... half of eastern europe is now irish:)
 
I believe this is WAD, especially because I think the province culture is taken into account in the conversion tool, not the ruler's culture

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