WAD: Losing piety while on crusade

[Lord Scrope]

Losing piety while on crusade

In My game the Pope called the Crusade about 10 years ago. Since then I'm up to my knees in the blood of the infidel but am still losing piety each month.

 

[Grosshaus]

You should be getting negative monthly piety to force you fight those heathens to grap their provinces for instant piety boosts.

 

[unmerged(258)]

So the only way to gain piety is to actually take provinces from them in peace settlements? I was fighting the pagans during a Crusade and still losing piety, so I settled with them and ceased the attempt to Crusade. It seems that fighting them, or at least winning battles against them would give you a boost to piety.

 

[ErmineClad]

You should be getting negative monthly piety to force you fight those heathens to grap their provinces for instant piety boosts.

So the never ending crusade open season is done by design?

As King of Hungary at around 1200 AD I'm losing about 6 piety a month, and despite having taken out all the pagans in my area (Cumans, Alans, and some of the steppes tribes) I typically hover around the 200 mark of piety.

Is there anything to control the gradual increase of expectations as time goes on? It's getting very hard to manage the piety level now that the smaller and mid-sized heathen in my area are gone.

~EC~

 

[Belissarius]

I've heard time and time again that even when you take provences and attack infidels you still lose piety AND whats worse is that the more successful you are the MORE piety you lose as your nation is larger and you are expected to do more.

I think things MUST be broken. I think you cant keep saying its a WAD. you have to spell out exactly whats expected in a crusade. These people seem to all be saying that when they crusade that they are losing piety and yet the responce from the mods is that "You should be getting negative monthly piety to force you fight those heathens to grap their provinces for instant piety boosts."

Can people confirm what these instant piety boost are?
can people confirm that they are working as intended?
can people confirm if its even possible to gain piety on crusade?
or is the net gain always less than the amount lost through expectation?

Seems like there is a whole lot of frustration on teh length of the crusade and its effects. I think more in depth assestment of the situation is needed besides a simple its a WAD. I can do any of this as I dont have the game but i have read time and time again that the best policy for the crusades for smaller sized nobles is to do nothing so long as you donations give you greater piety than you lose through expectation. Something has to be wrong when this is the way to handle things. If actually trying to meet the expectations of the pope results in a greater increase in your net piety loss then things cant be working right.

UNLESS you can confirm that the more successful you are in the crusade the less your piety should be?
The frustration level for many players is getting high and i thing things need to be assessed better. because a game shouldnt lead to frustration. and I cant imagine that all these people are imagining things that no matter how successful they are on crusade they always have a net piety loss.

 

[Brownbeard]

the bigger you are, the more heathen there are and if you are on a crusade, the more piety you lose each month.

you get piety by liberating heathen realms, the closer they are to the holy lands more instant piety you get. you don't get any if there is no crusade, you get less if you're not on a crusade. a crusader taking jerusalem gets 1000 piety... anyway, after i finished the crusades i ended up with a ruler with 18000 piety...

WAD

 

[Solmyr]

About the only thing that needs to be fixed is the neverending crusade. It should come in several shorter periods rather than a single centuries-long one.

 

[Belissarius]

the bigger you are, the more heathen there are and if you are on a crusade, the more piety you lose each month.

you get piety by liberating heathen realms, the closer they are to the holy lands more instant piety you get. you don't get any if there is no crusade, you get less if you're not on a crusade. a crusader taking jerusalem gets 1000 piety... anyway, after i finished the crusades i ended up with a ruler with 18000 piety...

WAD

well thats a bit more info which will explaign why people taking out the pagans near them are not seeing a net gain in piety. They are taking counties too far from the holy land. So while they expand their lands near themselves they dont get the piety for taking the holy land. That makes sense and it explains all the frustration players have as they think its a call against infidels in general and not for the holy land specificly. This should do alot to reduce player frustration.

But as was said a 100 year long crusade is a bit out of order. As you will run out of provinces that are in teh holy land so your ability to meet the requirements will be reduced over and over. Now if you are the king who made the inital gains its of no import as the piety gained is huge but since you dont inherit piety this could be a major problem for a new king who can no longer gain teh high piety countier as his father already took them. And that is a significant issue.

 

[Grosshaus]

I've heard time and time again that even when you take provences and attack infidels you still lose piety AND whats worse is that the more successful you are the MORE piety you lose as your nation is larger and you are expected to do more.

I think things MUST be broken. I think you cant keep saying its a WAD. you have to spell out exactly whats expected in a crusade. These people seem to all be saying that when they crusade that they are losing piety and yet the responce from the mods is that "You should be getting negative monthly piety to force you fight those heathens to grap their provinces for instant piety boosts."

Can people confirm what these instant piety boost are?
can people confirm that they are working as intended?
can people confirm if its even possible to gain piety on crusade?
or is the net gain always less than the amount lost through expectation?

Seems like there is a whole lot of frustration on teh length of the crusade and its effects. I think more in depth assestment of the situation is needed besides a simple its a WAD. I can do any of this as I dont have the game but i have read time and time again that the best policy for the crusades for smaller sized nobles is to do nothing so long as you donations give you greater piety than you lose through expectation. Something has to be wrong when this is the way to handle things. If actually trying to meet the expectations of the pope results in a greater increase in your net piety loss then things cant be working right.

UNLESS you can confirm that the more successful you are in the crusade the less your piety should be?
The frustration level for many players is getting high and i thing things need to be assessed better. because a game shouldnt lead to frustration. and I cant imagine that all these people are imagining things that no matter how successful they are on crusade they always have a net piety loss.

The original post of this thread is about loosing piety monthly from crusade expectations despite crusading, which is WAD.

There have been complaints about further aspects of crusading, including the points you've mentioned, in both public and beta forum. The whole concept of crusades isn't working and needs fixing, but not the single matter of loosing piety monthly during crusade era as a Catholic nation. The best way to handle the bug forum so it actually helps fixing bugs is to stricktly keep one thread for a single bug, and the original issue this thread is about is WAD.