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Phillip V said:Nah, just also order Two Thrones now.
Well I un-ordered COTN and guess what? Found a bundled copy of it with another game for £9.99 in a shop today, not bad huh?
Causing pain in my head. Why would it cost Paradox any money if he (she?) decides to go for that £9.99 offer?L G said:Costing paradox money sir!
They get literally only a few cents out of that purchase, but either way, nobody should be attacking you over that, just notifying you.CptnKiff said:
Just exercising my rights as a consumer - and I'm a he by the way
Anyway, if you'd seen my comments in the COTN section of these forums you'd know I didn't think it was a particularly worthy purchase, so I stand by my decision to spend £9.99 on it rather than £20.
Anyway, if you'd seen my comments in the COTN section of these forums you'd know I didn't think it was a particularly worthy purchase, so I stand by my decision to spend £9.99 on it rather than £20.
I've just got hold of Two Thrones and my advice would be to wait until you discover if there is going to be a patch. Its not much fun in its present state.
CptnKiff said:
They don't mate... Older games get lost in the bargain bin. Paradox receives only some 5% of any sold game. So fo £9.99, that's fucking little
Vulture said:They don't mate... Older games get lost in the bargain bin. Paradox receives only some 5% of any sold game. So fo £9.99, that's fucking little
I'd imagine that every time Paradox' distributor sells a copy to the wholesaler or to a retailer, Paradox will receive 10% (or whatever share) of the proceeds. Of course, right after the game is released, the distributor can charge significantly more than two years later in time.
However, the striking point is that when a game is sold to a consumer, Paradox will already have received the money for that game since it has been sold by the distributor (or some wholesaler) to the retailer several days or months before the game is bought by the consumer.
So the price that is charged by the retailer does not affect the amount of money that gets into Paradox' pockets. That means that if amazon charges a higher price than the game costs in the bargain bin, than 100% of the additional profit goes to amazon, and 0% to Paradox ...
Yes, but using this theory, if no one buys the game at full price from the beginning, then the retailer will not purchase more copies of the Paradox game, and next time will purchase less copies of the next Paradox game.CptnKiff said:
Example #1: EB stocks up on 3 copies of Victoria. No one buys it until its in the bargain bin. EB does not order anymore copies of Victoria, and when CK comes out, they only stock up with one copy or none. Poor Paradox.
Example #2: EB stocks up on 3 copies of Victoria. All 3 copies are sold at full-price from the beginning. EB orders more copies of Victoria. More $$$ for Paradox. When CK comes out, EB stocks up on more copies of CK then they initially did for Victoria. $$$ for Paradox.
I'm still not sure whether you just do not understand because of your young age, so I will give it one more try: I still state that buying overpriced does not help Paradox. Let's imagine that we have two retailers: A (high price) and B (low resp. reasonable price) selling a Paradox game called "Game 1".
Game 1 comes out. A and B order 3 copies each for $20 per copy. 10% (that is 6 x 20 / 10 = $12) go to Paradox.
Retailer A offers Game 1 for $50, Retailer B charges $35.
There are 4 people who want to buy the game. 3 buy from B, 1 buys from A.
Now Retailer A has 2 copies that he has not sold. He will now decide to throw them into the bargain bin, to return them to the wholesaler/distributer (if that is possible) or to burn them. He will keep in mind to order less Paradox games in the future.
If there is a "Game 2" coming out, then retailer A will order only one copy, wheras retailer B will order (at least) 3 copies. So all in all, 4 copies are ordered.
Now you suggest that we all should buy from retailer A to prevent him from lowering his order value for "Game 2". Let's see what happens in that case:
3 people buy "Game 1" from retailer A and only 1 person buys from retailer B, so retailer B will order two games less of "Game 2", while retailer A will order the same amount. All in All, 4 copies are ordered.
Difference: 0 (zero).
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CptnKiff, you and I are pondering over two different things. I am just advising against the practice by many people who think it is harmless if they wait until a Paradox game is patched and in the bargain bin to purchase it.
Ah, ok then
I shall join you in your chant and say "People, buy your Paradox games as soon as possible! Paradox, release your games as soon as possible!"
As pointed out in some other threads, I WANT THIS GAME YESTERDAY *g* I don't really care for smaller bugs since all Paradox games that I've bought so far (EU I, EU II, Vicky) had some bugs, yet were playable and tons of fun In fact, I'd be somewhat disappointed when I get to buy a bug-free Paradox game - it's just not the real thing
What about having two release dates? First one for the hardcore fans like us who will also pay for a buggy release (in the end, we all now that Paradox has one of the best after-sales supports - do you know another company that puts out around 10 patches even years after the game was originally published?), and a second one for the whiners who start "should I buy now or wait another month"-threads.
Nice side-effect: On the first release date, Paradox could sell directly to the forum users and does not have to share the profits with the distributors ...
I shall join you in your chant and say "People, buy your Paradox games as soon as possible! Paradox, release your games as soon as possible!"
As pointed out in some other threads, I WANT THIS GAME YESTERDAY *g* I don't really care for smaller bugs since all Paradox games that I've bought so far (EU I, EU II, Vicky) had some bugs, yet were playable and tons of fun
In fact, I'd be somewhat disappointed when I get to buy a bug-free Paradox game - it's just not the real thing What about having two release dates? First one for the hardcore fans like us who will also pay for a buggy release (in the end, we all now that Paradox has one of the best after-sales supports - do you know another company that puts out around 10 patches even years after the game was originally published?), and a second one for the whiners who start "should I buy now or wait another month"-threads.
Nice side-effect: On the first release date, Paradox could sell directly to the forum users and does not have to share the profits with the distributors ...
I would like to chime in at this point and say that, living in much-maligned UK as I do, buying a Paradox game "when it comes out" generally means at least three months after everyone else.
Victoria only came out here in January, and most North American suppliers don't like you to be able to buy from outside of their zone so it's often not for want of trying that you can't get games early. I'll happily buy CK the day it comes out, if I can get someone to sell it to me.
Victoria only came out here in January, and most North American suppliers don't like you to be able to buy from outside of their zone so it's often not for want of trying that you can't get games early. I'll happily buy CK the day it comes out, if I can get someone to sell it to me.
Iblis said:I would like to chime in at this point and say that, living in much-maligned UK as I do, buying a Paradox game "when it comes out" generally means at least three months after everyone else.
Victoria only came out here in January, and most North American suppliers don't like you to be able to buy from outside of their zone so it's often not for want of trying that you can't get games early. I'll happily buy CK the day it comes out, if I can get someone to sell it to me.
It's not restricted to NA suppliers, I found the same problems trying to get Championship Manager over here. It's a licensing problem and some vendors are not legally allowed to sell products outside their region.
Similar to the odious "Region X" DVD format which drives me nuts if something is manufactured for Europe only.
For CK, you might want to try ebay if you want to get it "early"
Dinsdale said:
Or buy directly from Paradox with their handy new self-run store which they've set up to make sure everyone can buy their games worldwide without distribution problems. Who says that bitching loudly and continually about things on the internet doesn't achieve anything?