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...Or will it be possible for Danish and norwegians to crusade against the heathen parts of sweden?;)

EDIT: Damn I'm sleepy and sick this morning, I completely forgot how to type...:rolleyes:
 
It was half heartedly christian. The king only closed down the heathen temple at Uppsala when he was forced to.
 
Originally posted by Jinnai
Is half-heartedly good enough to play though?
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The dynasty is Christian so it should be playable. The country itself is semi-christian.
Its not like you could prevent crusades against you by being Christian. The Pope could declare a crusade against the Swedes I suppose.
 
Originally posted by Aetius
The dynasty is Christian so it should be playable. The country itself is semi-christian.
Its not like you could prevent crusades against you by being Christian. The Pope could declare a crusade against the Swedes I suppose.
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Well he could declare it against rome, if he wanted to. Not that anyone would any longer think he was sane, but he could.
 
Originally posted by Jinnai
Well he could declare it against rome, if he wanted to. Not that anyone would any longer think he was sane, but he could.
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Maybe the Anti-Pope is in Rome; who knows? :)
 
I think Northern Scandinavia was mostly half-heartedly Christian. Mind you, only 36 years earlier, St. Olav was killed in battle by a Pagan/Aesatro opposition.

I wouldn't think of Sweden as the first target for a crusade, though. :D
 
neither would I, but it would have been fun to pay back all the games of ÉU II where Denmark/Norway was stomped by a way too powerfull Sweden ! :D
 
For CK purposes I´d say that Sweden was Christian in 1066 (although there were kings after 1066 who are characterized in the chronicles (always written by the winners mind) as heathen). I´m just wondering how CK´s dynastic system will handle the elective monarchies of Europe (e.g. Sweden and Denmark)?

Cheers,
Vandelay
 
Originally posted by Aetius
It was half heartedly christian. The king only closed down the heathen temple at Uppsala when he was forced to.
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Acctually it isn´t sure that temple even existed...

Most of the people probably wasn´t christian at this time. They tried to merge the old religion with the new one. (Some say that the "head gods" Odin, Tor and Frey was a nordic "version" of God, the son and the holy spirit)
 
Maybe some provinces will have pagan religion, with the option to force convert them over time/missionary (Dont know how religion works in the game..anyone that does?)
 
That is a very good question! I have been wondering about that to, if sweden was really christian, would denmark and sweden crusade in their country? :confused: when Magnus Barfot the king of norway crusaded in sweden he was asked to acsept peace on the following terms. He would marry the swedish princess margrete fredskulla. who did not worship jesus, she also worshipped theold gods but it is sad that when trondheim was hit by a catastrophe she saw st. olav and became christian. as for norway the souther part was christian around 1030, when olav II haraldson started to convert the people to christianity. the area that gave him resistance was trøndelag where the most of the hedens left in the country lived. so, i will be very surpriced if the western shores and the south of the country is made heatnic in crusader kings.
 
Originally posted by Norgesvenn
I think Northern Scandinavia was mostly half-heartedly Christian. Mind you, only 36 years earlier, St. Olav was killed in battle by a Pagan/Aesatro opposition.
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He was killed by his political enemies(supported by danish imperial ambition) leading a popular army. In all likelihood, there were as many christians amongst the peasants as anywhere else in Norway(as most of Olavs army was mercenaries, they'd probably be happy enough with any faith their paymaster wanted to go in for). Seven years later those same political enemies pick his son up in Novgorod and proclaim Olav a saint.

The christianizing og Norway is a bit more complex than pagan peasants vs. christian kings.

EF
 
Originally posted by Endre Fodstad
He was killed by his political enemies(supported by danish imperial ambition) leading a popular army. In all likelihood, there were as many christians amongst the peasants as anywhere else in Norway(as most of Olavs army was mercenaries, they'd probably be happy enough with any faith their paymaster wanted to go in for). Seven years later those same political enemies pick his son up in Novgorod and proclaim Olav a saint.

The christianizing og Norway is a bit more complex than pagan peasants vs. christian kings.

EF
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There's no denying that. And it serves well to exemplify that Northern Europe (at least Scandinavia) wasn't fully Christianised in 1066.
 
Northern Europe wasn't fully christianized in 1721, when they discovered those pagans up in the Laerdals. France wasn't fully christianized in 1200. This does not mean that christianity was not the dominant religion in those areas.

In 1066 I think we can safely regard Norway and Denmark as officially christianized, and Sweden going on strong.

EF
 
Originally posted by Aetius
The dynasty is Christian so it should be playable. The country itself is semi-christian.
Its not like you could prevent crusades against you by being Christian. The Pope could declare a crusade against the Swedes I suppose.
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excommunication, and then, war.

If your playing Sweden you should be able to clamp down on the Heathens....
 
well, JouniL you should know (as well as Styrbiorn about his "heathen finns")that there were (orthodox)christians in finland and karelia already in 1066, and I've researched that the so called "First Crusade" in the north in 1156 was actually against Novgorod and the expansion of orthodoxy! Aetius seems to have done his research well also ;) !

Have you seen any swedish "landskap" records between 1156 and 1250(if there are any?) I think no finnish areas are included!:D
 
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