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Muscovy 1427 – 1451

By 1427 Muscovy had seen off the Polish thread and the economy was doing okay if not brilliantly, we had become a bit more centralised and had invested enough to get to a new land tech level that enabled us to assault fortresses (land 5). However the army was ready for another fight, and this time it was over the Golden Horde. Although they were a vassal of the Ottoman Empire, we did have a deal with them to take various provinces with their permission. Of course this was if they actually upheld their end of the bargain, even so, we were prepared for them to break it, which it proved to be

To begin with however, the war with the Golden Horde went well (and also the Ottoman Empire did not intervene immediately). In the first few months we managed to take several provinces, however this was short lived, as the Ottomans decided to act and declared war against us. But we were prepared for this, and withdrew immediately to Russia proper. For the plan was not to attack the Ottomans openly in enemy territory but let them come to us in ours, since it would have been suicidal to attack them openly. Meanwhile we could attack any reckless Golden Horde armies, and then start wearing them down.

Indeed, that is more or less what happened, except for the fact that the Turks were too scared to make any serious attacks against us at all, apart from one or two raids which didn’t do much damage at all. However the Golden Horde was in much worse shape, and after several years of relatively low scale warfare, their empire collapsed, and the government fell, prompting independence movements in Astrakhan, Kazan and the Crimea. Once they had collapsed, the Otttomans soon sued for a white peace. Meanwhile our objectives had been met, which was a secure passage to lands further east.

The rest of the period was largely a mopping up exercise in taking provinces from the various countries that had declared independence from the Horde, plus Perm. The Ottomans even agreed to cede Kazan which they had inherited once they had diplo-annexed the Golden Horde. By the end our economy had not only recovered, but also increased by 10 percent. We had also become more centralised and slightly less innovative, to keep stability costs down due to our expansion and new religious minorities like the Muslims and pagans. All in all, Muscovy is in stronger shape now than she was in 1427.

AAR:
400d

ontime:
+100 ducats

Core request - Smolensk (285)
 
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Ottoman Empire 762 H - 785 H (1427-1451 for the infidel)

Curious session to say the best. It all started with the vassal of kutch and their countless enemies. Seriously, no one seemed to like em - they were at war for almost 2 decades till the mighty sultan ended their petty existence. The next move of the great sultan was to proclaim himself as the new sucessor to the Ilkhanid throne, and the new Shah of the Seljuk Empire of old. 7 persian provinces were thus annexed to allow us to absorb their culture in the nearby future. Of course, when things go too well, someone decides to create a mess around - and so the barbarians of Moscow invaded our Tartar brothers in the Golden Horde. The sultan was quick to send a formal declaration of war against such violation of our borders - which caused the russians to flee with all speed back to their huts and caverns. For a few years no battle took place. We started wondering what the Russians were up to. And so it was that some of our spies - professional spies that had spied upon Muscowy when they were at war vs Poland, revealing their precious possitions, were set loose. The position of Russian armies were soon revealed as before, and our armies were told not to engage Yuri at all costs. Raiding parties were sent all across russia to pillage the bastards. Novgorod and all of western russia soon found itself burning, serving as a fitting example of what is to happen in Russia shall they decide to double cross us again. Making full use of Polish miltary acess, Murad I, a true military genious, crushed numerical superior armies a couple of times, reducing the russian army to pathetic numbers. Moscow itself was sacked and pillaged. Such was the mighty of our army that we had more then +30 WS only from battles and were almost able to stab hit Russia. From all these battles, only one was lost - but we prefer not even speak of such a fiasco.

But while Russia burned, so did the Golden Horde. We allowed rebels to seize the Tatar government, in the hopes it would fall apart and thus release some nations and white peace Russia. All would be fine except for one thing the sultan did not predict: once government falls, ALL possible nations are released. We thought that only rebel controlled provinces would possibly form a new nation, but we were wrong. And so, to our misfortune, Kazan and Astrakhan declared independence. Russia obviously quickly gobbled them up and had their way to siberia open. And without any motive to remain at war with the infidel, we accepted peace for 100 ducats. While this was a blow to the father of all Turks and protector of all Mongol peoples, this had mixed results for both russia and turkey: on one hand, russia had his way open to siberia - which, thanks to Allah, isnt that rich on this mod, and actually more of a burden. On the other hand, this enabled us to annex the Golden Horde - giving us roughly about 25 badboy points. But most importantly, drastically raising our income, giving us control of 2 center of trades, and possibly of a 3rd one.

Nevertheless, the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire is now proclaiming himself as the sucessor of Ghenghis Khan, in old Ilkhanid, Blue Horde, White Horde and Golden Horde territory. The infidels are welcome to send gifts - and maybe the all merciful sultan will grant them the status of being a vassal, unless they are or wish to be our friends instead.

In all of europe, things were messy as usual. England was at it again with France. And instead of being ungrateful, the monarch of England should be happy that we repaid their previous loan - after all, they were at war vs our french friends. We could have just dishonored the deal - instead, we didnt. If they didnt like the pressure we exerted over the venetians, the Sultan would like to remember that:

1º We have no problems with england - only with venice.
2º France was at war versus 3 nations in a row - We do not know if the blood of the chivalrous richard the lionheart still runs through Henry VI's veins, but engaging a nation in such an unfair war (3v1) is certainly not a very honorable thing to do.
3º Venetians have no right to put their nose into French, English and possible German quarrels. We already know that the doge of venice likes to interfere with everyone's life, but as we said before to the doge: Mind your own bussiness.

We would also like to remember that from a geographical position the English monarch has nothing to earn from making the Sultan an enemy. Much from the contrary.

Also venice has been pushing her navy to their limits, which is in clear violation of the naval treaty of instanbul which states that the venetian fleet should have at the very best only half the numbers of the turkish fleet. We do not know if the infidel doge has noticed that such a treaty actually exists, but as the old romans used to say - ignorance is not an excuse.

Remember folks...
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Leaders: 1 admiral and 1 general
Ontime: less BB
AAr: less BB
Core: 765

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Other diplomatic stuff:

The sultan would like to anounce that he is accepting loans from the infidel. From anyone. Even if Muscowy offered us one, we would take it - we are terribly short on money. And of course, just like we repaid the English loan, so do we pretend to repay new loans - of course we only accept fair loan proposals. Loans will not only make both nations stronger economically, but will also give the status of "potential friend" to the infidel being generous to the sultan. (status of vassal might be given as well if the infidel is willingly to accept such :p )

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Other questions:

NOTE there are 2 aar , to be taken individually = 2 times deflation)

I am against this. It doesnt take a genius to note how unfair this is - 1% deflation for venice now, wasnt 1% deflation in the past session when they barely had united the peninsula (1% deflation now means a lot more income then 1% last session). If beregic can sum up AAr rewards like this, then expect me to do the same and post my present AArs only in 100 years once my income will be the double of what it is now.

Regardless i am against summing up AAr/ontime rewards, or cores which the player forgot to mention. It is a player's job to demand such in time - if he doesnt, well too bad. And you already warned us to do such 24 hours before game start.


375£ from Castile should go to the Sultan for the purchase of the Canarian sugarcolonies.

Well, 450d was what we agreed, and the rules state that you cant exploit simultanity in special cases like the sale of provinces. So dont come and try to cheat me wari - either pay 450d, or i will request the canaries to be edited back to me - with, obviously the culture being changed to turkish and the religion to muslim since they were like that before i gave them to you. And i got proof to back up my claims, shall we need it.


core - location 389(milan)
on time - deflation

Beregic wasnt ontime last session. By last session i dont mean this session, but the past one. A lot of people werent - mats even kept checking the forums and noticed beregic was online and called him in. It was the session where we had to ghost a lot of people, and we didnt even know who should host (beregic hosted in the end).

P.S: Please, once again notify me of possible answers via ICQ. Thanks. The_Spartan.
 
if you don't remember, i'll be glad to come over to Constantinople to count your money myself, together with a couple thousand armed, hungry and horny peasants :eek:


btw, mats & martin i'd like a core on 1918
and italian culture, if possible, not sure about the rules on that...
 
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Therion said:
Ottoman Empire 762 H - 785 H (1427-1451 for the infidel)

Curious session to say the best. It all started with the vassal of kutch and their countless enemies. Seriously, no one seemed to like em - they were at war for almost 2 decades till the mighty sultan ended their petty existence. The next move of the great sultan was to proclaim himself as the new sucessor to the Ilkhanid throne, and the new Shah of the Seljuk Empire of old. 7 persian provinces were thus annexed to allow us to absorb their culture in the nearby future. Of course, when things go too well, someone decides to create a mess around - and so the barbarians of Moscow invaded our Tartar brothers in the Golden Horde. The sultan was quick to send a formal declaration of war against such violation of our borders - which caused the russians to flee with all speed back to their huts and caverns. For a few years no battle took place. We started wondering what the Russians were up to. And so it was that some of our spies - professional spies that had spied upon Muscowy when they were at war vs Poland, revealing their precious possitions, were set loose. The position of Russian armies were soon revealed as before, and our armies were told not to engage Yuri at all costs. Raiding parties were sent all across russia to pillage the bastards. Novgorod and all of western russia soon found itself burning, serving as a fitting example of what is to happen in Russia shall they decide to double cross us again. Making full use of Polish miltary acess, Murad I, a true military genious, crushed numerical superior armies a couple of times, reducing the russian army to pathetic numbers. Moscow itself was sacked and pillaged. Such was the mighty of our army that we had more then +30 WS only from battles and were almost able to stab hit Russia. From all these battles, only one was lost - but we prefer not even speak of such a fiasco.

But while Russia burned, so did the Golden Horde. We allowed rebels to seize the Tatar government, in the hopes it would fall apart and thus release some nations and white peace Russia. All would be fine except for one thing the sultan did not predict: once government falls, ALL possible nations are released. We thought that only rebel controlled provinces would possibly form a new nation, but we were wrong. And so, to our misfortune, Kazan and Astrakhan declared independence. Russia obviously quickly gobbled them up and had their way to siberia open. And without any motive to remain at war with the infidel, we accepted peace for 100 ducats. While this was a blow to the father of all Turks and protector of all Mongol peoples, this had mixed results for both russia and turkey: on one hand, russia had his way open to siberia - which, thanks to Allah, isnt that rich on this mod, and actually more of a burden. On the other hand, this enabled us to annex the Golden Horde - giving us roughly about 25 badboy points. But most importantly, drastically raising our income, giving us control of 2 center of trades, and possibly of a 3rd one.

Nevertheless, the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire is now proclaiming himself as the sucessor of Ghenghis Khan, in old Ilkhanid, Blue Horde, White Horde and Golden Horde territory. The infidels are welcome to send gifts - and maybe the all merciful sultan will grant them the status of being a vassal, unless they are or wish to be our friends instead.

In all of europe, things were messy as usual. England was at it again with France. And instead of being ungrateful, the monarch of England should be happy that we repaid their previous loan - after all, they were at war vs our french friends. We could have just dishonored the deal - instead, we didnt. If they didnt like the pressure we exerted over the venetians, the Sultan would like to remember that:

1º We have no problems with england - only with venice.
2º France was at war versus 3 nations in a row - We do not know if the blood of the chivalrous richard the lionheart still runs through Henry VI's veins, but engaging a nation in such an unfair war (3v1) is certainly not a very honorable thing to do.
3º Venetians have no right to put their nose into French, English and possible German quarrels. We already know that the doge of venice likes to interfere with everyone's life, but as we said before to the doge: Mind your own bussiness.

We would also like to remember that from a geographical position the English monarch has nothing to earn from making the Sultan an enemy. Much from the contrary.

Also venice has been pushing her navy to their limits, which is in clear violation of the naval treaty of instanbul which states that the venetian fleet should have at the very best only half the numbers of the turkish fleet. We do not know if the infidel doge has noticed that such a treaty actually exists, but as the old romans used to say - ignorance is not an excuse.

Remember folks...
thisissparta.gif


Leaders: 1 admiral and 1 general
Ontime: less BB
AAr: less BB
Core: 765

-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-

Other diplomatic stuff:

The sultan would like to anounce that he is accepting loans from the infidel. From anyone. Even if Muscowy offered us one, we would take it - we are terribly short on money. And of course, just like we repaid the English loan, so do we pretend to repay new loans - of course we only accept fair loan proposals. Loans will not only make both nations stronger economically, but will also give the status of "potential friend" to the infidel being generous to the sultan. (status of vassal might be given as well if the infidel is willingly to accept such :p )

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Other questions:



I am against this. It doesnt take a genius to note how unfair this is - 1% deflation for venice now, wasnt 1% deflation in the past session when they barely had united the peninsula (1% deflation now means a lot more income then 1% last session). If beregic can sum up AAr rewards like this, then expect me to do the same and post my present AArs only in 100 years once my income will be the double of what it is now.

Regardless i am against summing up AAr/ontime rewards, or cores which the player forgot to mention. It is a player's job to demand such in time - if he doesnt, well too bad. And you already warned us to do such 24 hours before game start.




Well, 450d was what we agreed, and the rules state that you cant exploit simultanity in special cases like the sale of provinces. So dont come and try to cheat me wari - either pay 450d, or i will request the canaries to be edited back to me - with, obviously the culture being changed to turkish and the religion to muslim since they were like that before i gave them to you. And i got proof to back up my claims, shall we need it.




Beregic wasnt ontime last session. By last session i dont mean this session, but the past one. A lot of people werent - mats even kept checking the forums and noticed beregic was online and called him in. It was the session where we had to ghost a lot of people, and we didnt even know who should host (beregic hosted in the end).

P.S: Please, once again notify me of possible answers via ICQ. Thanks. The_Spartan.
you are clearlly "out there " buddy :rofl: .
- i did not receive any "ontime" bonus. YET ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO CREATE ISSUES BETWEEN PLAYERS BASED ON ABSOLUTE LIES( obviouslly you did not check the facts)
- i wrote to REAL aar , with much flavour, while yours are just full of lies.THER SI NO TREATY OF ISTANBUL). I NEVER MADE ANY DEALS ABOUT NAVAL RATIO WITH YOU.
- i never had any "bonus" implementations . u obviouslly full of "s.." or you have not even BOTHERED to check records!(wich is worse).

WHAT YOU QUOTING FROM MY POSTS ARE ----PREFERENCES---and not what actually GETS implemented by the gm.

you the type of player that always asks for favours and becouse of that you ASSUME everyone does the same
HILARIOUS))))))))))))))))))))))))))
 
Wari Bana said:
... but he did find a cool smiley, wouldn't you agree?
true but probablly he sees in "300" what he always wanted to be , but never actually had the guts to do so :rofl:
i am just making fun remarks; he obviouslly is looking for that and someone needs to start making fun of such arrogance.
 
Therion said:
I forwarded the messages of the Spartan since he doesn't have access in here. Any discussion with him is best conducted in ICQ.
what is the reason he has no access in here? :confused:
 
he doesnt have internet at home, he plays at work
 
I would deeply appreciate if people did NOT go back and edited in requests on the previous page (or any edit, really), as I am doing edits continuously and WILL miss such requests. This time I had to start over from scratch, and could include them, but not other times. So, post a new post instead.
 
Poland: 1427 - 1451

The Polish King Wladyslaw Jagiello was now tired of constant warfare and sought to provide a well-needed period of peace for his kingdom. A non-aggression pact, signed with Muscowy, was honoured even when Muscowy was engulfed in a war with the Ottoman Empire and when the latter offered us incentives to join the war. We would like to stress that Polish honour demands that one always remains true to his word.

Elsewhere, war struck the West and it was very displeasing to see the degree in which three Christian states dishonoured themselves by fighting the same nation. However, it was very clear from the beginning that Divine Justice was accompanying the French armies as they inflicted defeat after defeat upon their enemies and, therefore, Jagiello saw no reason for any chivalrous intervention.

Domestically, political reform aimed at establishing a centralised monarchy concluded successfully and the Catholic Church was given further authority to execute its powers in the orthodox and pagan provinces. Churches are currently being built all over the place and indigenous religious institutions are craftily being integrated within the Catholic Church. The Patriarch of Moscow has thus far remained silent.

Diplomatically, the major and most successful event was undoubtedly the vassalisation of the Teutonic Order. An invasion of Sweden was called off because our men were still not tired of sleep, love, singing, and dancing. Instead, diplomats were sent to proclaim peace and friendship and, consequently, an alliance was forged with the Swedes. When the Turks annexed the Golden Horde, the Sultan proposed that Belgorad be incorporated in Polish Ruthenia. Therefore Belgorad was added to the Kingdom and its poor populace found the opportunity to practice Christianity without paying additional taxes and quickly converted en masse. A couple of years later, Estland was transferred from Muscowy to Poland for some ducats and further promises of peace.

During this period, both Wladyslaw II and Wladyslaw III joined God. The new monarch, Kazimierz IV, despite succeeding the throne at the meagre age of 17, looks already promising, especially in the administrative and diplomatic spheres. May God bless him with long life.



Reward - Cash
 
Polish requests were not edited. Not even the ones I asked before the AAR. I have edited the save and gave Poland: Lithuanian Culture, Core 282 and 500 ducats. I don't know how to upload it in the stats website though.