We could use some more French Cultures

[Grand Historian]

It's nice to see that German and Italian were finally balkanized as cultures, but France remains with the same three cultures it had in CKII: French, Occitan, and later Norman (and Outremer, but that's beside the point). For as weak as the French crown's authority was compared to that of its neighbors, and just that all of France's neighbors have had their cultures divided into larger regional divisions, I think, at the very least, an Arpitan/Franco-Provencal culture should be added (in part to represent how the territory Kingdom of Arles/Burgundy was not held by the Kingdom of France for much of the game and there were multiple proposals to reconstruct the Kingdom of Arles, and simply because Franco-Provencal is neither d'Oil or d'Oc).

I would further advocate for a Poitevin culture as it is about as distinct as Norman (and it would avoid the bordergore between French/Occitan that Poitou has now), as well Picard and Lorrain (which, for simplicity's sake, I would group Walloonian in with), and a Flemish culture instead of the current French-Franconian division along HRE borders.

 

[BeyondExpectation]

I strongly support Arpitan, but not others. What makes you think Picard and Lorrain should be cultures?

 

[Pbhuh]

I strongly support Arpitan, but not others. What makes you think Picard and Lorrain should be cultures?

In my opinion they are nothing like Parisian French, having a history seperate from rest of France.

 

[BeyondExpectation]

In my opinion they are nothing like Parisian French, having a history seperate from rest of France.

What exactly does "history separate" mean?

 

[Pbhuh]

What exactly does "history separate" mean?

It means that Lorrain has a had different rulers, different invasions, etc.

Lorrain should be added simply because of its nature as French speaking Lothringers, vs Franconian being the German version.

Picard and in his post he mentioned Walloon are quite distinct from the rest of France with close contact with the Dutch and Wallonia in general being in the HRE.

Thats what distinct history entails in my eyes.

 

[BeyondExpectation]

It means that Lorrain has a had different rulers, different invasions, etc.

Lorrain should be added simply because of its nature as French speaking Lothringers, vs Franconian being the German version.

Picard and in his post he mentioned Walloon are quite distinct from the rest of France with close contact with the Dutch and Wallonia in general being in the HRE.

Thats what distinct history entails in my eyes.

If different rulers equaled different cultures, Norse would be dozens of cultures in the Viking age start date due to the lack of prior political unity. Culture needs differences in the way people behave.

 

[Pbhuh]

If different rulers equaled different cultures, Norse would be dozens of cultures in the Viking age start date due to the lack of prior political unity. Culture needs differences in the way people behave.

That is a simplifiation of what I said.

I said, when a culture is in a close contact with a different culture, Like Picard and Walloon with Dutch or with Lorrain and Franconian.

 

[Grand Historian]

It means that Lorrain has a had different rulers, different invasions, etc.

Lorrain should be added simply because of its nature as French speaking Lothringers, vs Franconian being the German version.

Picard and in his post he mentioned Walloon are quite distinct from the rest of France with close contact with the Dutch and Wallonia in general being in the HRE.

Thats what distinct history entails in my eyes.

Basically this, yep. Lorrain and Picard are significantly distinct from the Orleanais/Francien continuum (which is, imo, what French should represent in CKII) and have significant Germanic influence from their neighbors, in addition to, like with Arpitan, better representing how those regions were within the HRE for significant portions of time and had their own polities.

 

[vaan24]

It is a detailed map of the different dialects of France, not that there is necessarily a need to put them all there are avenues of cultural additions nevertheless