weekend game - europe

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Who are playing today? It might be a good idea to update the player/country list on the first page of this thread. What if we get new players to replace someone else, are the political statements by the earlier player still valid?

It seems that I can't host, because I wouldn't like to turn my firewall off. It doesn't help if I set my Sygate firewall to allow Victoria both as a client and as a server. I might try it though. Do you have any ideas, if I must allow some other programs in my firewall to host? But I think, our problems were not because of the host and his connection, but just some bugs in the game.

Closing the factory and rgo helps, and I would just suggest to use it. But if you can't expand rgo, that's worse.

And we don't want Sardinia-Piedmont, because there is no way for human controlled 2S and S-P in the same game. It would lead to constant wars until either of us would be annexed.

 

[Brasidas]

Yes, I think I can regularly manage that time. See you on vnet soon?

btw, S-P was a joke. I recognized the mess it would make in Italy. I don't want to interfere with Jaeger's enjoyment of the game by making it simply a bilateral battle for supremacy. Note the emoticon I used.

I've had mixed experiences with mixed north american-europe games. The problems have been timings. If the games range from 2/3 to no later than midnight GMT, I can handle it.

I mentioned my connection, not for hosting purposes, but to establish that I had a solid connection. I'm not running a 486 with a 14k external or something. However, I have hosted mixed-continent games with some success, if we are unable to successfully host elsewhere.

Looking forward to the game.

 

[unmerged(38333)]

Nice game, for as long as we managed to play...

However, if Brasidas is to edit the game, you guys have to be at war first, right ?

So when are we goinfg to do that?

 

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i dunno. we could maybe do it on saturday?

now at last i know why everyone likes mp... the bugs are a pain in the ass but the game is very different

 

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Yes much more interesting game.

The truth is that in the other games I play, we dont encounter all these problems. In 4 hours, we manage to play 7-10 years...

Hopefully, we will do better next weekend.

 

[LM+]

Oi. What an experience.

Just so you all know: France is no longer playing to win. Or even to retain a top ranking. As long as she manages to stay a Great Power, that will be happiness enough.

 

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Brasidas, if you have an ICQ number or MSN, please post it, so that we can contact you...

Anyway, we have to set up a time to meet and play until war is declared on the German and Italian minors, so that Brasidas can edit the saved game.

Please post your prefered days and times....

 

[Brasidas]

MSN:
Erich_deWaal@hotmail.com

I will book permanently my sundays from 15h-19h GMT, if that works for you. This saturday, I can book maybe four hours. Morning (my time) is probably easiest with me schedule, 14h-18h, maybe?

I'm not understanding the editing suggestion. What am I changing? Did someone accidentally annex India when I stepped away? I have a save from the end btw.

 

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Brasidas, the problem is that multiplayer game crashes when annexing a nation who has alliances. Me as Two Sicilies and Coco as Prussia must do several annexes to unite our nations. Yesterday Prussia tried to annex someone and it crashed, and we had to quit there.

Do you have any ideas, will it crash, if I just occupy the needed provinces for unification, and don't manually annex any other Italian states?

After all, I think the game was quite good yesterday. But I can see now that you can't use same strategies both in SP and MP games, mostly because of the lack of stuff in the World Market. My early annexing of Tunisia might be a mistake, because I couldn't get clippers for a convoy to transport goods. If I had known this thing, I could have selected an easier country for a MP game.

 

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The best save to start from is the one we loaded just before Brasidas left.

And the idea behind editing is for these guys to start their wars, then save the game, edit out the alliances between the German and Italian minors and then resume the game.

I am willing to play on Saturday afternnon, if that is OK with the rest of you.

Please state you prefered times on Saturday or Frida night GMT...

 

[Brasidas]

I have another game commitment on Friday, an HoI2 game. mid-37, with a few spots open (a rather successful Japan seems to have dropped out, for one). Good crew if anybody's interested in joining.

I vote for saturday. Timing flexible.

 

[unmerged(38333)]

A possible time for us to play on Saturday is from 18:00 to 19:00 GMT.

PLease post whether you are available at this time of day. If not, please post your prefered time.

 

[Brasidas]

Yeah, I can do it. I can do earlier or later, my only restriction that day is about 21h-22h GMT

 

[unmerged(38333)]

Brasidas I have added you to MSN, but you appear offline all the time...

PLease sign in so that other players can reach you

 

[Brasidas]

I can't run messenger from where I'm at right now. I'm free by e-mail, PM, or the boards though.

Btw, I'm not angry about anything at all. I just want the game defined so that we don't run into further misunderstandings.

Imho, much of the last page in the diplomacy thread needs to be chucked out the window. If we're role-playing, I don't want to be Chamberlain just because I was ignorant due to ambiguous (from my perspective) agreements prior to my joining the game.

 

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My idea regarding foreign policy is that whenever a nation decides to proceed to an attack against another (AI and human) there has to be a formal statement of the goals and the reasons in the dip thread during the weak before the session.

This way, other players will have time to react, object, negotiate or whatever ...

I would like to hear everybody's opinion on this...

 

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I can't run messenger from where I'm at right now. I'm free by e-mail, PM, or the boards though.

Btw, I'm not angry about anything at all. I just want the game defined so that we don't run into further misunderstandings.

Imho, much of the last page in the diplomacy thread needs to be chucked out the window. If we're role-playing, I don't want to be Chamberlain just because I was ignorant due to ambiguous (from my perspective) agreements prior to my joining the game.

Please read my reply in the dip thread about the Peru-Borneo misunderstanding ...

And I have sent you a message in the forums, I am waiting for your answer. I believe it is a good way to sort things out.

 

[Brasidas]

I have indeed read the post about Peru-Borneo, hence the "I'm not angry about anything". It would be nice if there was a 2nd party listing as in HoI in chat, which may lead to mistakes like that.

As you said it's not your fault, but it would be nice if in a negotiation, folks picked up on whether it sounds bilateral or not.

In any case, I don't know if Coco felt that simply a role-playing justification or if there was any real cause for objection. Should I have simply claimed Borneo for myself, rather than conceded it? I was trying to be a good neighbour.

 

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first things first i need to say that any annoyance that came thru from me was not personal, it was an attempt to roleplay failed plans and an attempt to call your bluff i suppose.
Agreed that we never specifically stated that the unifications of italy and germany were going to be by arms, So i will clarify my intentions (as to whether thats what happens in the dip thread and game is a different matter)
I intend to annex/satellite allthe german minors (those satellited will be humiliated and picked up 5 years later,) and then i will accept the proposal of frankfurt, hence completing the unification and renaming.
Regarding peru, i wasnt told, since half the conversation ended up being sent to everyone ingame.

The situation against france is slightly different... I have no hostile intentions towards them at this time, as will be seen in the dip thread shortly, however i asked lm if he minded me buying lux, he said yes, so i didnt. Obviously then i cant allow him to buy it.


there is no grand alliance against you bras... its natural that with 5 players your going to end up with 3-2... and it just happens that at this time myself general and jaeger felt our interests were approximately the same. As you can see tho, we are not trying to be hostile in this alliance, i made agreement with you to compensate for the invasion of hannover, jaeger has made agreements with france, russia with you. the peru thing for me was roleplay, tho i would have liked to be consulted too Likewise the thing about about france was roleplay.

There is no alliance against you. This was just because the Uk ai loves badboy wars... in my case at least i had taken it for granted that this agreement no longer applies. You are welcome to ally with who you like... we may have ingame objections, but there are no house rules etc about that.

I think that the way i handled the hannover war could be a good way to handle minor wars... declare war in the chat with a reason, if noone objects, then do it, if people object, talk it out.
Planned major wars i think should first come on the dip thread, unless there is an unexpected event etc, at which point the minor war thing should apply.


as regards annexation, well, unless the country in question has a 3rd party alliance, its just a question of diplomacy. if it has a 3rd party alliance, then we will have to save the game and edit it out, so that we dont crash.
Scripted wars i think should be similar, tho there would be more leeway... if an event makes a war, thats ok go ahead and do it... as to the result of the war, maybe a quick conversation might be good, especially if you intend to do something drastic. (france might think that siam is part of their sphere of influence etc, and be unhappy at an annexation)

 

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Brasidas, I want to clear it out too that we have no intentions to go and rape UK together. People in this game has changed and UK was originally AI controlled. Our commitment was against AI controlled UK.

Maybe we have to redo some diplomatic statements to avoid missunderstandings. Like colonization in Africa. It was originally kind of divided between France and Italy. I would like to make a new suggestion in this case. Both you, Brasidas and LM could make suggestions too in the diplomacy thread or by PM.

I hope we will have a good game.