Werewolf CCXXXVII: The Road to Veracruz

[randakar]

There's a part I edited out, I suppose that's the one you're referring to ?
Sorry. I know it's no excuse but it's getting late, and when I saw something.... Eh, I was not too happy with it, but I shouldn't have reacted like that. Apologies

No, the first line of what is still there can technically be seen as revealing information the village technically doesn't have.
I doubt it matters since we don't seem to be *that* paranoid at the moment, but hey.

Exactly, so maybe stop running me up

Then start analyzing. Find some baddies. Do what a villager should do.

I should hope I don't rank among the top players in WW, after being on hiatus for nearly a decade!

I believe AOK. 11 probably tops the list of best players of all time, and he's retired a long time ago. Same for a bunch of others.

Considering the priest died before any wolves did, that does actually clear you of being a zealot. Could still be cursed, but not a zealot. If the priest scan is true. How do you know that you were scanned by the priest anyways, unless that's classified JL intel.

It would if that priest told anyone else about it ;-)
He died before he passed it on. At least, to my knowledge. And the PM he send me isn't exactly very difficult to forge.
Like I said, I don't consider myself cleared at all.

Wait, he said he was doublescanned, so that's redundant

See above.

The real bad thing about this outcome is that I basically want to repeat my cases from yesterday. Panzer and Alynkio still fit perfectly as Xipe Totec baddies, and Yvanoff being of the other pack doesn't change that. Now having two dead wolves of that pack also makes going after the Xipe Totec pack even better than yesterday, since it is only down one wolf. Panzer's effort to "defend" himself yesterday was also criminally lazy.

That about sums up my feelings regarding the matter.
Though it's a bit too tempting to take your analysis at face value. I'd really like to do some digging of my own at some point.

Still, I think Panzer and Alynkio are all but certain to be the last two Xipe Totec baddies (assuming four baddies to a pack), and even if not, I can't imagine at least one of them not being a member of that pack. I'm not so certain regarding the Xolotl pack. Also Alynkio did not really take off as a candidate yesterday, and I don't think that resistance was justified.

I kinda feel for Panzer in the sense that I have been in that boat where you just don't have the time or interest to play properly and half the village thinks your evil based on that (and the other half *is* evil).
.. if he is actually good, that is. I kinda doubt it.

 

[randakar]

Vote Alynkio

As per Aedan's analysis and my own earlier votes on him.
I would like to see one of those updated coloured counts to double check the reasoning, maybe we are still missing something.

 

[Sleepyhead]

It's getting a trend, Sleepy was also not suitably quiet.

Ghost rules forbid revealing inside information, of which I had none. Wanting those who killed you dead is not against ghost rules, that's fully under haunting, taunting and flaunting. Yvanoff finally got justice served, it seems.

 

[aedan777]

Ghost rules forbid revealing inside information, of which I had none. Wanting those who killed you dead is not against ghost rules, that's fully under haunting, taunting and flaunting. Yvanoff finally got justice served, it seems.

While it seems this game doesn't include this rule, generally it's also stated that ghosts are prevented from suggesting a course of action to living players, and encouraging the death of those who killed you most certainly does qualify as such a suggestion. So in most games that would be a violation of ghost rules.

 

[Sleepyhead]

While it seems this game doesn't include this rule, generally it's also stated that ghosts are prevented from suggesting a course of action to living players, and encouraging the death of those who killed you most certainly does qualify as such a suggestion. So in most games that would be a violation of ghost rules.

Most games? I cannot recall having seen it in a big.

 

[aedan777]

Most games? I cannot recall having seen it in a big.

Seems it's missing from most of the newer streamlined rule sets, but it's there in the classic numbered one, such as this one used by Esemesas back in February-

§4A. - Spectators and ghosts may comment, but never suggest a course of action, reveal any new information, including vote counts. Preferably spectators will comment only in a manner tangential to the actual game.

 

[Capibara]

ANNOUNCEMENT
​

Tomorrow I will be traveling for most of the day, including the hours before and after the deadline, so votecounts will be few, if any at all. I trust you can keep count of the votes and keep playing as if I were there. Update will be late as well, but I'll try to post it ASAP, even if just informing of the events. Thank you.

 

[Avernite]

aedan's post on the last page reminded me to ask:
Alxeu, why DID you non-out out Yvanoff, anyway?

 

[alxeu]

aedan's post on the last page reminded me to ask:
Alxeu, why DID you non-out out Yvanoff, anyway?

Dedonus insisted I ensure Yvanoff be lynched above all else:

If Yvanoff is not in the lead when the deadline is coming to an end, please out him.

I wasn't entirely sure if the village would go through with a tie, yesterday, so just to make sure the outcome the seer desired would happen, I thought I'd give a bit of a push. It wasn't meant to dissuade people off of Panzer. However, it was clumsy, and was more of a full-body tackle of the village.

It was a learning experience. I'm rarely in a JL when the JL wants to lynch someone without an outing.

 

[Capibara]

Day 8 Votecount (4 hours, 9 minutes until deadline) ​

alynkio: 2
aedan777
randakar

JermanTK: 1
Avernite

Avernite: 1
JermanTK

Panzer Commader: 1
MatthewFW190

Not voted:
Bunch of people

 

[Hax]

I'm really busy today so don't expect any activity from me. I currently don't have the time to update my votecount analysis so sorry for that.

VOTE Panzer

Still think he is the best suspect. A) he is a zombie and B) I suspect he and Yvanoff are in the same pack due to how they voted yesterday.

 

[Arkasas]

I also don't have much time today, so screw haikus. I think a TIE between Panzer and alynkio might be appropriate, unless that'd bring us into parity. (Jerman, IMO, just isn't all that bright. I don't really know why he's voting Avernite, but right now I don't think either is a wolf.)

Vote alynkio

 

[alynkio]

Arkasas, can you make a haiku about me?

Hi
Hax
You are a koe.

Does that count as a Hi koe?

Unvote Arkasas
Vote Avernite

Herr Arnold, Truly
art thou a foe to baddies.
Wolves quake afore thee.

Aedan and Randy
Seek to spill my blood today
Survival seems tough.

They notice that
I only have survival
votes against Xipe.

Only Panzer looks
as bad as I do and he
looks pretty darn bad.

I plead innocence.
I admit my record stinks.
But others too have

relatively weak
votes against the Xipe pack.
Who wouldn't vote to

Kill Castor if he
was your packmate? He is pure
liability.

Notable among
these are Arky, who voted
only for Castor.

And Beartjah / Jerman
who only got 1 vote from
Johho. And Panzer.

I am the leader.
DeChat was 3rd in command,
But evil. It makes

sense that whoever
is 2nd or 4th could
be evil as well.

Yvanoff was bad.
But Xolotl, not Xipe.
This was a surprise

Given his voting.
He fit better as Xipe.
Perhaps DeChat thought

Yvanoff was scanned
After day 3 and wanted
to beat the outing?

There's one person
Who doesn't seem surprised at
Yvanoff's packmates.

Aedan believed that
Panzer and I are Xipe.
Omitting Yvan

From analysis
yesterday despite Yvan
fitting as Xipe.

He would have us think
this innocent oversight,
not wolfish plotting,

A simple mistake.
Given that Yvan was one
of the Xolotl,

Aedan was too honest,
perhaps -- Omitting Yvan
'cuz he already

Knew Yvanoff not
to be a Xipe. His goal
of accuracy

interfering with
his sense of appearances.
And of course having

a vested interest
in avoiding the deaths of
his beloved packmates.

Aedan's too smart to make such an omission from his analysis, especially if he's suggesting it's comprehensive and that I should be lynched as a result.

Please don't let the haiku format distract from the content.
Panzer is my best survival vote, Aedan is my best 'bold' vote. Pazner, I almost feel is too easy of a target to actually be evil, thus...


VOTE AEDAN

 

[Capibara]

Day 8 Votecount (2 hours, 45 minutes until deadline) ​

alynkio: 3
aedan777
randakar
Arkasas 2.0

Panzer Commader: 2
MatthewFW190
Hax

JermanTK: 1
Avernite

Avernite: 1
JermanTK

aedan777:1
alynkio

Not voted:
Bunch of people

 

[alxeu]

Vote Panzer

If at first you don't succeed...

Lynch Panzer alongside another good candidate. While Alyn has self-confessed to being the leader, that isn't a clearing claim.

Who's going to be online near deadline? I'd like any tie we try and pull off actually stick, today.

 

[PanzerCorps]

Herr Arnold, Truly
art thou a foe to baddies.
Wolves quake afore thee.

Aedan and Randy
Seek to spill my blood today
Survival seems tough.

They notice that
I only have survival
votes against Xipe.

Only Panzer looks
as bad as I do and he
looks pretty darn bad.

I plead innocence.
I admit my record stinks.
But others too have

relatively weak
votes against the Xipe pack.
Who wouldn't vote to

Kill Castor if he
was your packmate? He is pure
liability.

Notable among
these are Arky, who voted
only for Castor.

And Beartjah / Jerman
who only got 1 vote from
Johho. And Panzer.

I am the leader.
DeChat was 3rd in command,
But evil. It makes

sense that whoever
is 2nd or 4th could
be evil as well.

Yvanoff was bad.
But Xolotl, not Xipe.
This was a surprise

Given his voting.
He fit better as Xipe.
Perhaps DeChat thought

Yvanoff was scanned
After day 3 and wanted
to beat the outing?

There's one person
Who doesn't seem surprised at
Yvanoff's packmates.

Aedan believed that
Panzer and I are Xipe.
Omitting Yvan

From analysis
yesterday despite Yvan
fitting as Xipe.

He would have us think
this innocent oversight,
not wolfish plotting,

A simple mistake.
Given that Yvan was one
of the Xolotl,

Aedan was too honest,
perhaps -- Omitting Yvan
'cuz he already

Knew Yvanoff not
to be a Xipe. His goal
of accuracy

interfering with
his sense of appearances.
And of course having

a vested interest
in avoiding the deaths of
his beloved packmates.

Aedan's too smart to make such an omission from his analysis, especially if he's suggesting it's comprehensive and that I should be lynched as a result.

Please don't let the haiku format distract from the content.
Panzer is my best survival vote, Aedan is my best 'bold' vote. Pazner, I almost feel is too easy of a target to actually be evil, thus...


VOTE AEDAN

You know, I agree. I obviously can't come up with any good analysis this game but I've been playing long enough that I can sort of get a feel for the general behavior of people and my gut feeling has been saying aedan is acting like baddie aedan for a few days now. I haven't voted on it because I thought obviously no one will follow me but I can get behind this vote

Vote Aedan

 

[aedan777]

Aedan's too smart to make such an omission from his analysis, especially if he's suggesting it's comprehensive and that I should be lynched as a result.

I was expecting someone to bring this up sooner or later after Yvanoff flipped wolf. Yeah it looks bad for me, but think about this- would I really be so brazen to omit a possible suspect from my analysis? Sure if no one else catches it I could use it well, but if some one did, then I'd look quite bad, especially if said omission was a wolf, or as you claim my packmate. That would be an exceedingly risky move for me to do, since the surviving village was not apathetic or inexperienced enough for them to ignore Yvanoff, as rapidly proved true. I wouldn't do that, there's too much risk, it would be betting on me being able to exert a level of control over the village that I could not expect.

So it was 100% true that I simply forgot Yvanoff was still alive. I'm kicking myself for it now, but there was no wolfish motivation there.

 

[alxeu]

I'm probably not going to be around for deadline, got more driving to do today.

Would prefer to see one of Alyn, Panzer, or aedan lynched, or some kind of tie between two of them, as all the reasons to vote each are good ones, imo.

Good luck guys, I'll be back after deadline.

 

[Avernite]

Well, I suppose Panzer would work too if I am right he got saved.

Unvote JermanTK, Vote panzer commader

 

[Claude LC]

Marcador coca-cola al medio tiempo. ​

Alynkio:3
aedan777
randakar
Arkasas 2.0

Panzer Commader: 4
MatthewFW190
Hax
Avernite
Alxeu

Avernite: 1
JermanTK

aedan777:2
alynkio
Panzer