The Chancellor is always at war with everyone.
But no, I will not waste a hunt on you. I will simply railroad you to the gallows.
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The Chancellor is always at war with everyone.
But no, I will not waste a hunt on you. I will simply railroad you to the gallows.
That is a comfort. Or maybe not. Depends on whether I roll brutal or cursed. The first ends in your immediate death, the second ends in your death on the next hunting night. I'll let you know which execution method I prefer.
Succes!
Congratulations to K-59 you deserved the win. Was fun playing in an old fashion game with the baddies actually going after each other hard, having a game where there was actually 3 sides and not the Über JL & sheeps V Baddies.
Can we get a seer and spy scan list?
re-read that day again. At one point, myself, Euroo7 AND k-59 were voted up. There was a serious WTF moment going on when I read that.
to answer this I will need to get on my soapbox and rant. I will do it after I get caught up.
I don't really pay attention to the statistics much. I play for the side. Usually, I am a villager. I know I won't make it to the end. But I try to analyze and put information into the hands that can use it. In Kriszo's game, for instance, I had a huge spreadsheet based off of Eternaly_lost's that I used and sent to Randakar. There were some days we knew we had a couple of names that should be run up, and in the interests of keeping things close, I would have usually voted the wrong one while others voted the baddie. But I helped bring both names up. I didn't win, but I take a little pride that my side did and maybe it happened with some of my help.
agreed. And this is where my "burnout" happens. I let little things get to me, boil over, and I get angry. Then I tell myself it is just a game and to sit a few games out. It has little to do with winning or losing, just annoyances in that I can't kill everyone.
Which is why Randakar's usurping Rysz's account in the Lite game was so fantastic. It was unexpected and very funny. We need more moments like that and less angry moments.
Maybe that will be my next strategy, not saying anything. It does work. It is sad, but very true. Quiet people usually stay longer than active players.
Before I get to my rant, I want to say how pathetic the Red wolves were. The blacks were active, but what happened to the Red? Velasco went away before it started, sbr never really seemed to get going, hdk disappeared, Randakar was the only one who did anything before Reis took over. Very disappointed with their side.
Well it feels pretty good to win a game instead of being hunted in the endgame.
Now I5, yes SPLIT handed me the game, but you and jonti let him. If the three of you had actually put some pressure on the game, I would have most likely made it very obvious I was the wolf. I'd also like to note I had a pretty awesome pack that led to my win, and to answer why hunt admus; It was because at that point I was only worried about the reds. I knew there was only 1 left, so I wanted to get rid of them both to hunt every night and so we wouldn't be hunted. Admus was my best bet, i knew it wasn't a good one, and I was hoping someone else would have a better guess. I could have hunted syber, but I thought it could be put off one night.
Now I5, yes SPLIT handed me the game, but you and jonti let him. If the three of you had actually put some pressure on the game, I would have most likely made it very obvious I was the wolf. I'd also like to note I had a pretty awesome pack that led to my win, and to answer why hunt admus; It was because at that point I was only worried about the reds. I knew there was only 1 left, so I wanted to get rid of them both to hunt every night and so we wouldn't be hunted. Admus was my best bet, i knew it wasn't a good one, and I was hoping someone else would have a better guess. I could have hunted syber, but I thought it could be put off one night.
Hey everyone! watching Ironhead and AOK go at it here reminds me of A Merkin Politics.
Why was Reis not lynched after I was lynched as an anarchist wolf? He named our pack yet no one did anything.... strange. I was lynched for doing that in the Aces of the Pacific game.
Drxav, you have much potential. But don't think running me up day after day proved I was a wolf. It happened before in the Aces game I mentioned, and I was a villager then.
Let us start with discussing why is it bad to run up the same person day after day.
1. They could be a villager and you get nothing good for analysis. Yes, I was a wolf this time, but I was a villager in Johho’s Aces of the Pacific game and was run up several days in a row there, too. It made me angry then and it made me angry now. Because the village was acting stupid, if for no other reason. And I had to defend everything I did. What makes it worse; I would have done the exact same thing if I was a villager. Whoever I was run against wasn’t in my pack, so I had no reason to save them. I just wanted to save myself.
2. Voting someone because you want to live is a valid excuse. Yes, I would do that as a villager, too. If we decide to hang everyone that does that, then we should know the progression of lynches. Player A is hung Day 1 over Player B. Because Player B voted Player A to live, he gets hung day 2 over Player C. Because Player c voted Player B to live, he gets hung Day 3. And so forth.
3. It gives the pack a chance to hide in the bandwagons. Do I really need to explain this? Over half the village had voted me in danger over three/four days of voting. Don’t you think some could be wolves?
4. It stifles any knowledge the village gets for analysis. If the same person is run up day after day, how much more useful information does the village really get because no one else is ever run up?
5. Let the seer do his/her job. If someone is suspicious, and the seer is still alive, don’t keep voting him day after day. Let it be known and have the seer scan him. It really doesn’t promote anything except bad blood as it seems some players appear to have a vendetta. I expected to be outed soon after day 3. I urged my pack to vote me Day 1 when it looked bad for me. They took advantage of that and did vote me in danger the other days.
And yes, I do break ties after Day 1. I don’t like them. So I broke the one between OY and Adamus. I do it all the time. I didn’t have a horse in that race. Again, I do the exact same thing as a villager. See what that tie did between Johho and theFreeman? The fact no one was stopping it and were actively keeping it going is a bad sign for a villager.
I knew this village was fail when running up Rysz day 2 because I voted him near the end, to see if anyone would switch to him. This made him suspicious? Really? Seriously? A victim is suspicious? I knew the village was going to lose, I just wasn’t sure which pack would win.
I didn’t have a problem with being voted up, or being scanned, but when BS reasons and incorrect reasons are used day after day to run me up, I do get mad. And this is what happened this game. Especially because I have been a villager when it happened before, and I did nothing this game while voting that I wouldn’t have done as a villager. Using spy or seer reports I can understand. Or analysis of votes after a few members are dead, I understand.
Later in the game, drxav used his head and had some good analysis. That is what the village needed. But the first few days were really dumb.
Why was Reis not lynched after I was lynched as an anarchist wolf? He named our pack yet no one did anything.... strange. I was lynched for doing that in the Aces of the Pacific game.
Drxav, you have much potential. But don't think running me up day after day proved I was a wolf. It happened before in the Aces game I mentioned, and I was a villager then.
Let us start with discussing why is it bad to run up the same person day after day.
1. They could be a villager and you get nothing good for analysis. Yes, I was a wolf this time, but I was a villager in Johho’s Aces of the Pacific game and was run up several days in a row there, too. It made me angry then and it made me angry now. Because the village was acting stupid, if for no other reason. And I had to defend everything I did. What makes it worse; I would have done the exact same thing if I was a villager. Whoever I was run against wasn’t in my pack, so I had no reason to save them. I just wanted to save myself.
2. Voting someone because you want to live is a valid excuse. Yes, I would do that as a villager, too. If we decide to hang everyone that does that, then we should know the progression of lynches. Player A is hung Day 1 over Player B. Because Player B voted Player A to live, he gets hung day 2 over Player C. Because Player c voted Player B to live, he gets hung Day 3. And so forth.
3. It gives the pack a chance to hide in the bandwagons. Do I really need to explain this? Over half the village had voted me in danger over three/four days of voting. Don’t you think some could be wolves?
4. It stifles any knowledge the village gets for analysis. If the same person is run up day after day, how much more useful information does the village really get because no one else is ever run up?
5. Let the seer do his/her job. If someone is suspicious, and the seer is still alive, don’t keep voting him day after day. Let it be known and have the seer scan him. It really doesn’t promote anything except bad blood as it seems some players appear to have a vendetta. I expected to be outed soon after day 3. I urged my pack to vote me Day 1 when it looked bad for me. They took advantage of that and did vote me in danger the other days.
And yes, I do break ties after Day 1. I don’t like them. So I broke the one between OY and Adamus. I do it all the time. I didn’t have a horse in that race. Again, I do the exact same thing as a villager. See what that tie did between Johho and theFreeman? The fact no one was stopping it and were actively keeping it going is a bad sign for a villager.
I knew this village was fail when running up Rysz day 2 because I voted him near the end, to see if anyone would switch to him. This made him suspicious? Really? Seriously? A victim is suspicious? I knew the village was going to lose, I just wasn’t sure which pack would win.
I didn’t have a problem with being voted up, or being scanned, but when BS reasons and incorrect reasons are used day after day to run me up, I do get mad. And this is what happened this game. Especially because I have been a villager when it happened before, and I did nothing this game while voting that I wouldn’t have done as a villager. Using spy or seer reports I can understand. Or analysis of votes after a few members are dead, I understand.
Later in the game, drxav used his head and had some good analysis. That is what the village needed. But the first few days were really dumb.
Pardon? I was killed on Night 4 and was rather active before that. In fact at one point a day or two before I died Ironhead v1.0 said something about how much trouble the village would be in if randakar or I were wolves, as we seemed to be among the most active and thoughtful. You and your pack had to be active because you were in danger of being lynched from the start, our pack was never in obvious danger, Ciry, walrus and myself were all hunted but were never in public danger.
EDIT: ~23 hours or so before I died:
And also:
Great game AOK, I told you not to get too discouraged at the rough start and your game turned out very good. I don't post much as a ghost but I was following the game as close as I have followed a WW game in quite a while.
I have no real problem with Split's play. I would never have done it but had I5's vote snipe been in time it would have worked out. I have no idea why anyone would have voted for The_SPLIT in the first place though, I thought he was one of the more "cleared" ones out there.
Great game AOK, I told you not to get too discouraged at the rough start and your game turned out very good. I don't post much as a ghost but I was following the game as close as I have followed a WW game in quite a while.
I have no real problem with Split's play. I would never have done it but had I5's vote snipe been in time it would have worked out. I have no idea why anyone would have voted for The_SPLIT in the first place though, I thought he was one of the more "cleared" ones out there.
hmmm.. maybe I was thinking of someone else, then. It seemed that the Reds were very quiet. Ciryandor? Walrus? I cannot remember, now.
But yes, your point about never being danger is correct. We were from the start, which ties in with my earlier rant. By going after the same people, they gave your group a pass. You could be quiet, or non-existant like Velasco. I kept trying to point to the quiet ones as wolves for that reason.
Err, lynching cursed people does not make them wolves ..
Well, sbr does have a point there. Velasco and the_hdk were pretty much total losses though. Them being so inactive hurt our side almost as much as the wolf hunts and the Seer scanning Velasco.
(I am still puzzled by that one - why on earth scan someone who has literally made zero impact on the game?)
However, one thing did happen behind the screens - walrus was forwarding me Syber's spy reports more than a day before Syber outed himself. I had already deduced from them that Rysz was the Seer and Ironhead the doc -before- the whole mess with Syber outing Ironhead as a 'confirmed cultist'. That one made me laugh my head off - I had been expecting to have to hunt I5 and having waste two days until I could get to the seer. But what happened then?
I didn't get the case against you much either. Which is exactly why I protested against all of the lynch targets at some point - the whole analysis against you, and some of the other runners etc were very very flawed. While WD made a perfectly good case against the_hdk - which was subsequently completely ignored, even though I agreed with it (and then subtly downplayed it
)(That, by the way, was one of the reasons why I hunted WD - when he didn't go back to that analysis I knew he had to be a wolf. Unfortunately I couldn't actually use that logic in the village, because it would clearly point at my packmate ..)
Ironically, the fact that I never voted Trespoe was used against me later. While -any- packmate of Trespoe's worth his salt should have voted Trespoe at least once in that mess. My defense against marty's "analysis" would have been really simple, in that regard: If anything the fact that I never voted Trespoe was a clear sign that I -wasn't- a packmate of his ..
That is true
And the quiet ones - We had three: Velasco (zero posts), the_hdk (missed a few deadlines), and walrus (just hiding).
With Ciryandor hunted night one that left me and sbr to run the show..
That is true
And the quiet ones - We had three: Velasco (zero posts), the_hdk (missed a few deadlines), and walrus (just hiding).
With Ciryandor hunted night one that left me and sbr to run the show..
v. White Daimon, Jacob-Lundgren, Trespoe, k-59, Najs and EUROO7
*strokes chin*
About this winning/surviving: The objective of the game is to survive and to win, not one or other. You don't win if your side wins but you're dead. I disagree that people value winning too much: after all, the point of any game is to win and if people really cared only about winning, no-one would ever agree to be the JL-mouthpiece. However, people seem to take up that role if offered, presumably because it makes the game more interesting. And if you've played a good game and you die, but your side wins, you should know that you've done well. Too bad that you didn't win, but these things happen to everyone. People place different value on winning, surviving and playing a good game. I think it adds an extra dimension to the game: near the end-game, it helps you to know who will take the bullet to help their own side, and who will just try to make it out alive.
For the record, I think SPLIT did the right thing. Being tied without a way to break it in your favour is a nasty equilibrium to be in. No-one else was probably going to do anything, so SPLIT did the only thing he could. I did the same thing in this game, too, and I was saved (albeit it involved some luck). SPLIT was about to die anyway, surely changing the situation couldn't make it any worse? Playing as a villager is a bit different than playing in a wolf pack or JL. In the latter case, you have a team to work with, in the former, you're stuck with people who're ready to kill you at any moment. If the only thing you get from fellow villagers are votes on you, why should you sacrifice yourself for the village?
For the record, I think SPLIT did the right thing. Being tied without a way to break it in your favour is a nasty equilibrium to be in. No-one else was probably going to do anything, so SPLIT did the only thing he could. I did the same thing in this game, too, and I was saved (albeit it involved some luck). SPLIT was about to die anyway, surely changing the situation couldn't make it any worse? Playing as a villager is a bit different than playing in a wolf pack or JL. In the latter case, you have a team to work with, in the former, you're stuck with people who're ready to kill you at any moment. If the only thing you get from fellow villagers are votes on you, why should you sacrifice yourself for the village?
I would love to be in a pack like that. Give me active players instead of zombies any day.
.. and promptly get lynched or scanned because of you saying that here, no doubt
Ah well, at least it would prove the point that me as a wolf in big is sorta cursed right now.
Speaking of the next time - who is listed as GM for the next game?
Some of you seems to value winning a lot. At least to me, having fun is what counts. I can safely say that this game was the most fun I've had so far on these forums.
Of course, I never thought I'd live as long as I actually did either. I thought my rather strange conversation with SPLIT would kill me for sure, especially since both him and drxav seemed to want my blood ASAP.
Of course, I never thought I'd live as long as I actually did either. I thought my rather strange conversation with SPLIT would kill me for sure, especially since both him and drxav seemed to want my blood ASAP.
Next to host is AVN according to the GM waiting list but I talked to him and he didn't feel up for it so that honor goes to the next in line which is Eternaly_Lost.
I don't think I thanked AOK for a game well hosted yet so; Thanks, AOK.
Also I'd like to say that this game's two new faces were a pleasure to play with. I hope you will come back to play again, Najs and drxav.
I don't think I thanked AOK for a game well hosted yet so; Thanks, AOK.
Also I'd like to say that this game's two new faces were a pleasure to play with. I hope you will come back to play again, Najs and drxav.
Damn, had a post typed up, and it vanished.
Still, thanks for the reply concerning Adamus. Yes, I could definitely be protecting him by calling out Daimon when he said he did not want blood on his hands in the Jopi/Freeman TIE day, so I'd get the attention after the hunt. I suppose it would have been a real probability, with him playing abnormally cautious.However, with the village as it as, it wouldn't have been hard to make him suspicious and have him lynched. Marty seemed all happy to let you guys wreck my pack...
Still, thanks for the reply concerning Adamus. Yes, I could definitely be protecting him by calling out Daimon when he said he did not want blood on his hands in the Jopi/Freeman TIE day, so I'd get the attention after the hunt. I suppose it would have been a real probability, with him playing abnormally cautious.However, with the village as it as, it wouldn't have been hard to make him suspicious and have him lynched. Marty seemed all happy to let you guys wreck my pack...