With a 3 pack setup you need something like 50% baddies to make a balanced game. 12 starting baddies out of 30 is WAY too little and just two cursed are not very many either. If this game was unbalanced it was in favour of the goodies.
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2 doctors, multiple apprentices with no "sorc", no brutal baddies. Set up maybe have been a bit odd but wasn't horrible at all.
I suppose. To be fair I'm just upset Randy and I's thinking got beat by luck. I hate randomness, but well that's part of the game.
Our real mistake: outing more than 2 people each time and trying to make 3 way ties. That was completely stupid and allowed the wolves to do the right thing and lynch goodies. It allowed Kehaar and jopi to live through the day and do more damages.
Note to self: always lynch Jonti-h, no matter his role, the result will be good for the village.
Add two doctors, a GA and a goodie hunter balancing out a baddie hunter (nice hit that Kehaar shot Lurken at that point), and the 3 scanning cultists being the only thing to balance it? I should ask if Jopi's scans in any way affected hunting orders. And WTF is that about killing off jonti? If he's that quiet, he's almost always a clueless villager. He only becomes active with a role of some sort or when he's maneuvering with the JL (in the case of the big game).
I actually wasn't seer hunting. I wanted docs or cursed as the seer dying would do me less good at that time. But that aside, I maintain the goodies are best helped by going after more certain baddie to extend time. With a doc and a seer that is 2 chances to spot a baddie and maybe not even lose to someone hunted.
Oh yeah all the planning in the world does no good if you make a very simple mistake and going too divided on votes allowing jonti to hang was the big turning point.
Kehaar shot Lurken because he thought it was our hunt that got stopped by the doc. So it was a shot in the dark for the doc. Turns out some other pack hunted randakar. (I really hate it when I don't know my own hunt nights as a wolf BTW)
Jopi's scans. Well, yes they mattered. Because I messed up with the doctor role/trait thing in Adamus PM. So he saw drxav's doctor trait which shouldn't have been possible.
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Jopi's scans. Well, yes they mattered. Because I messed up with the doctor role/trait thing in Adamus PM. So he saw drxav's doctor trait which shouldn't have been possible.
What does that mean?
Jumping back in as a player I wasn't very happy when reis91 had me shot be Adamus the hunter when we finally got to hunt on night 2. Especially since Adamus wasn't in our hunt order that night (IIRC our order was for hunting enkhuush). This is what made EURO abandon the game and what Kehaar talked about when he complained about GM performance.
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I think there is some value to actually hitting the Seer in this situation because it makes sure that the pool of cleared people is 1. Reduced by 1 and 2. Not replenished by new players. The tipping point for that value becoming paramount was at this point forward (6-8 players, 2 baddies and 3-5 players with 1 baddie). But of course getting a cursed hit is more valuable overall than that. I liked the game, except for the lack of coordination on the day of jonti et al; which in all honesty was the point that we lost it in my view.
What does the GMing list look like now? I can GM a very simple game and set it up within 24 hours if nobody else can bring out their set-up.
It means that when Jopi scanned you I told Jopi you were a villager with the trait doctor. Cultist could scan for traits and since I thought doctor was a trait I gave Jopi information he shouldn't have.
Not sure if the people before me are able to gm on their turns or not. I obviously would be hard pressed to start 2 games at once and gming the next big would have to wait a week by me until the lite is done. Having a quick simple game and not moving the order is probably the best approach. Just fire it up for a wednesday start if recruit is slow or a tuesday start if it is fast and get rolling?
Werewolf GM Waiting List:
1.- Eternaly_Lost
2.- Kaetje
3.- Jacob-Lundgren
4.- EUROO7
5.- Rysz
6.- Cyriandor
7.- Ironhead
8.- Randy
9.- Jolt
10.- marty99
suck it rand
Screw you.
No, seriously. I can't believe the way this game ended. I've put way of myself into this one to see this happen.
Bloody insanity.
I don't know what I will do next game. Maybe just not play for a while. I have had to go all out for days just to avoid these "simple mistakes" every day and all it took for the wolves to win was one bloody fuckup due 3 baddies sniping to a goodie? Pft.
Besides, each game I seem to end up either in a JL, or a baddie. And every time the people who say nothing and do not analyze, keep their head down and do not talk, are the people living to the end.
No. I'm sorry. I did the best I could but it just doesn't feel worth it right now.
Did I mention yet that that first no hunt night meant my witness power was blocked from working? What are the odds for that, I ask you? Since when do witness powers work that way?
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Well, I can imagine that that would have been frustrating.
Not sure that has ever happened before but it doesn't seem that unrealistic. If there was no crime then there was nothing to witness. I might well have ruled the same.
I just realized Cyri's vote decided the game.
Well, I'll be honest with you guys, Starcraft is one of those games that are quite hypnotizing to watch. And I'll also admit I lost it for everyone.
@ randy
I screwed it up for you. I'm sorry insomnia and Starcraft got in the way. I've also invested quite a lot in this game; thank goodness for a Catholic country having Holy Week holidays for the chance to actually contribute. I'm just not up to it.
If I was the GM, I'd say the same; the no-hunt means that nothing happened.
Has E_L been around? I dunno about Kae; she's still taking care of the Werewolf cub eh?
j-L. I think you should start your game up with the theme; just placeholder the things you'll have in there; there's always going to be around 10-15 people we can have assured of being in.
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Screw the edit; I just want to have a game with a better deadline for me. 5AM here is just a load of bollocks.
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No, it was more a matter of failing to make TIEs between suspects. Kehaar sort of saved the game from a goodie landslide when he really should have just stayed quiet and let you lynch the opposing pack. Also every goodie should have voted opposite of obvious baddie Jopi today.
Well, Jopi wasn't that discreet about being a baddie, was he? Slinky just got turned (and he didn't win). Rysz OTOH didn't deserve this win. If Slinky hadn't come on line 3 minutes to deadline to hunt snipe the game would still have been on.