I forwarded the PMs that night to you, apparently, you didn't receive them.
Apart from that, I don't see where I failed, randakar?
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Apart from that, I don't see where I failed, randakar?
After that we only got 2-3 more messages and no real activity although iwas puahing for vanhelsing scan on cymsdale or rovsea and wanted to be given the assasain role back. (What can I say I love the power) however that seemed to deactivate the council. And then I was hunted (guess the wolves thought I posed a threat)
One of your council votes was sent only to me (unless Randakar was BCCed). Of course, I didn't feel the need to correct you.
Maybe it's because I did not see all of the communications, but from my end things were suspiciously quiet.
Let's look at the council history in the sheet, starting on day 3, the day that the first villagers arrive in the Council - you and brovahkiin.
Day 3:
You send "VOTE GORGAN FOR ASSASAIN".
Brovah sends nothing.
Cymsdale and Kuroten both send nothing.
Day 4:
Sleepyhead, Kuroten and Cymsdale vote to give Sleepyhead the Padre trait. (all of them wolves!)
Brovah sends: "I think we should scan Joho".
You send nothing.
Day 5:
Brovah sends: "So I have been contacted by the van helsing and he wants a scan on cymsdale and ability for rovsea".
Kuroten replies to that with "No objections".
Cymsdale sends: "Vote Padre for Rovsea" (but unvotes that in secret immediately after. Besides, that ability was gone anyway.)
You send in nothing.
Day 6:
Cymsdale, Tamius23, GorganSlayer and Brovahkiin send in nothing.
Day 7:
Cymsdale, Tamius23, and Brovahkiin send in nothing.
There is no way I will believe you guys couldn't have done something. Especially in the later stages of the game the council got dominated by goodies, yet none of you send in anything.
You really could have put more effort into this, folks.
.. riight. Well, I'm not telepathic, am I?
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I agree.
Must say I fail to see the point of the electors. Why not just populate the council with a mix of roles you find fitting the rest of the setup and either have no replacements or keep having the councilors appointing successors.
In this setup without cultist and cursed a van Heling scan or a seer scan is pretty much the same thing for goodie/baddie balance BUT the trait scan part really helps with proving you are a van Helsing. The second part, which I think is bad for the game, can be mended by either do as you say and make the van Helsing scan more like a single seer scan OR you could reintroduce the infiltrator.
As for council fail I tried pushing bro to make them do something, anything just to get some response from the rest so we could judge them by their behaviour. I got nothing back. From Sleepyhead the wolf I heard he tried to have me(!) scanned and that Sleepy and Gorgon refused (making them look good in my book but since I didn't get it from bro the safe goodie I didn't know if it was a lie).
As for Kai fail. Did he really know I was a liar? I only hinted to him that I wasn't really OEO. IIRC Sleepy thought I was a used up van Helsing at the time (or so he told me). So wouldn't that make perfect sense to hunt me after I just used up the van helsing protection and "proved" myself to be a goodie?
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IMO, wouldn't it be better to add a trait-scanning trait? Possibly with the exception that blessed/cursed doesn't get detected?
That would mean that correctly claiming to know someone's role+trait wouldn't be so very suspicious anymore, and the van helsing can't be such a focal point in public without fear of reprisal anymore.
No lie. This is accurate.
Well, according to the PMs he asked if you claimed knight in shining armour and you responded: no I claimed OEO. That obviously made you a pathological liar. We robbed Al-Aziz and hunted Wagon on much less.
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You also have the source code though.
Also that wasn't much Scandinavian; only a few small posts.
You asked not to be send any non order PMs though.
Also now we are talking about that; similar to ghosts the GM should also think about not breaking ghost rules. You could have told me by PM instead of telling everybody I was a baddie; I thought at the time that it was really coined on me and other people picked up on that too.
Gen. Skobelev said:
Sleepy did that play a role in the hunt on me, or was it made solely because you thought I was elector---or did you guess I was liar?
That sounds like the infiltrator.
Because you tried to hide your lie in the middle of the post and it made little sense for you to mention it like that. Though we robbed Al-Aziz, so we weren't that sure.
Well, just the fact that it was me making the "everyone is van Helsing" thing in the thread should have made it obvious in the first place (which is why I wanted Rendap to do it).
I felt I was a very obvious hunt target that night (and so apparently did the padre) so OEO would be good to be able to claim. I didn't decide to actually liar claim it to the GM until much later that day.
I didn't try to hide it though; I didn't think it a problem to claim elector publicly. It most likely was in the middle of the post because that was where it fitted with the flow of posts; remember that I answer as I read.
You knew Citizen was a brutal wolf without having claimed van helsing before, so you seemed to be just that to me. I was too busy to pay much attention in the thread anyway and as mentioned, my pack mates weren't very helpful. Cymsdale was completely silent and kept council information and what not from us, and Kaiser was mostly over-excited about being an assassin and suggested using it every other pm
Randakar I must have had problems with PM system. Cause I was sending stuff everyday until I got hunted
What makes you think that that is a permanent rules addition?
You have to realize that as far as I am concerned the Elector system was an experiment. It sounded like fun, and for a one-off game with special rules that isn't a bad thing. Especially if you want to give the game an archaic, almost roman empire like feel.
That being said - one other reason I came up with it was because I wanted to have a system with the *seats* voting, rather than people voting. And I soon realised that that would need a way to have people succeed to the council seats.
There is more than one way to do that, though.
For this game I would definitely go the "van helsing scan is a seerish powers scan" route. I try to err on the side of giving out less information. Something that imho is good GM policy.
One very important rule for Werewolf GM's: Less is more. Specifically: Handing out less information makes for a better game. I've seen plenty of GM's fall for that, including myself.
It took me a bit to get what you were saying here.
But fine - the "no PM's that do not contain votes or orders" announcement.
To be fair, you weren't the only person sending me messages. In hindsight it probably did look a bit dodgy but it wasn't *just* you. I simply wanted to pre-empt seeing even more PM's flood my inbox.
That's ... odd. I haven't had any problems with anybody elses' PM's. Never heard of that before.
Hrm. Keep an eye on it. Next time you send messages, tick the box at the bottom that allows you to get a receipt when the message gets read. And make damn sure that all the names of people you want to send these things to are in the list at the top, seperated by semicolons (
. Worst case scenario you can set up a google hangout or whatever with the GM to make sure your messages get through, circumventing the PM system completely.
Didn't really follow till the end, will definately have to reread.
Thanks for hosting Randy!
Thanks for hosting Randy!
Yeah I know it was meant to be general. I just thought it was directed at me and more importantly other players became convinced I was a baddie based on it. So I mentioned it so that future GMs are aware that such comments on amounts of PMs can give out information.
As Skobie noted I for instance always include the GM and I write a ton of PMs when in a pack or JL (and the last was ruled out here).
Perhaps it is because people don't let the forum finish the names? I always let the forum finish the name by choosing the correct suggestion. If I remove somebody because they have a full PM box I delete everything until the last part of the name of the person standing before the person with a full PM box. Then I write the other recipients again.That's ... odd. I haven't had any problems with anybody elses' PM's. Never heard of that before.
Hrm. Keep an eye on it. Next time you send messages, tick the box at the bottom that allows you to get a receipt when the message gets read. And make damn sure that all the names of people you want to send these things to are in the list at the top, seperated by semicolons (
Worst case scenario you can set up a google hangout or whatever with the GM to make sure your messages get through, circumventing the PM system completely.
I do it to make sure nothing strange happens, since the PM system can be strange at times. I don't know if it actually is better to do that, but you at least remove the possibility of not typing in the names correctly.
If you typed the names manually: Did you remember to have the required amount of whitespace?
Did you remember to send to the full name? I.e. not the shortenings we use here. And there are actually users named some of the shortenings: So if you e.g. send a message to 'randy' and 'Aziz' your PM will be recieved by the users randy and Aziz and not the users randakar and al-Aziz.