Werewolf CLXXXIX: Dinner and a Murder

[al-Aziz]

I do feel like people are just attacking me because I was in the end found to be right so here is my opening statement,



Pretty calm, right? I only got panicky today when I realized the game could end, which it did, and when I realized Ironhide was probably not in Rovseas pack assuming he was a wolf.

You made a massive leap in logic here. "Rovsea did not tell me" does not automatically mean "Rovsea is a wolf!" and "all these other people are wolves". Your weak opening statement made it easy to ignore the other things you had to say. And tone and comprehendability are important in Werewolf- at least as important as real information.

 

[Sleepyhead]

If it makes you feel any better tonkatoy, even if the villagers would have listened to you we would have packvoted for Ironhide or aedan and gone out with a leaderlynch.
Taking yourself off the table as possible red narrowed it down substantially.

 

[tonkatoy5]

You made a massive leap in logic here. "Rovsea did not tell me" does not automatically mean "Rovsea is a wolf!" and "all these other people are wolves". Your weak opening statement made it easy to ignore the other things you had to say. And tone and comprehendability are important in Werewolf- at least as important as real information.

Rovsea didn't tell me anything but he should have told Chemist everything who should have also told me everything, the fact he didn't' is proof of incompetence or wolfishness. There is no massive leap in logic, in werewolf people lie and try and manipulate you if you don't play the game constantly questioning people and expecting this or constantly creating back-ups you aren't playing the game correctly. If you base everything on logic and on people possibly making mistakes then imo you will be lead astray a lot, if something doesn't make sense even a very trivial thing then I've always found it best to out everything, albeit I don't think too many players especially those playing now have been in near as many fake JL's as me.

First of all, I don't think people are attacking you. They are merely saying that your method of accusing Rovsea wasn't the most effective possible (which it wasn't). It's not meant as personal attack, merely a statement of facts.



Not that calm. Anyways, you reached the proper conclusion (at least about Rovsea, you jumped a bit ahead of yourself with accusations of GA & Ironhead) but as multiple players have said your method of delivering your conclusions was flawed. I for one didn't know Rovsea would start lying to various JL members about who GA is on; had I known it I would have adviced against lying to various people. Much easier to keep the GA orders straight and make hunts on unprotected people. Luckily the game tilted in favour of our pack so fast that people didn't have much time to question Rovsea.

I do now realize all of the people who say I was raving have thus far been the baddies so I don't really think your opinion matters because your minds were already made up thus my raving had no effect on you other then Aziz who actually did vote Rovsea for some reason. I could be wrong but I don't think I am, which is very rare, and I'm far too ignorant to see otherwise.

 

[Gen. Skobelev]

I do now realize all of the people who say I was raving have thus far been the baddies so I don't really think your opinion matters because your minds were already made up thus my raving had no effect on you other then Aziz who actually did vote Rovsea for some reason. I could be wrong but I don't think I am, which is very rare, and I'm far too ignorant to see otherwise.

The game is over and nobody has any reason left to lie to help their side win. So I don't understand how you just shrug off all comments and try doggedly hold to your vision how you did nothing wrong. But let's see what some goodies have to say about it.

Tonka was all over the place.

I had no doubt tonkatoy was a goodie; I seriously doubted he'd come up with the most rational analysis of the facts, or the best course of action.

So it doesn't look like baddies only exclusive club that's saying your handling of the stuff wasn't flawless.

Anyways, I don't understand why you feel the need to be so defensive. It's not like the game result was riding only on your shoulders.

 

[Hax]

Not sure why Hax went with our brutal suggestion, but that ended up working out for us. Honestly, I forgot about Tonka; had he not been there the game could have ended smoothly, and in a complete and total wolf victory, rather than the flurry of activity that we saw.

As you know Skobelev told me the roles of madchemist and Euro, and asked me to set the brutal on one of them. I knew that my pack was doomed, and I wanted to "compensate" Skobie, so I went with his suggestion.


GG and thanks for hosting happycats! It was a great game for being your first one.

 

[EUROO7]

tonka is an idiot.

 

[k-59]

tonka is an idiot.

In other news the sky is blue.

 

[EUROO7]

In other news the sky is blue.

Skobelev insists on proving this particular truism. Thought I'd help.

 

[Gen. Skobelev]

Point taken. I'll stop now.

 

[Luftwafer]

Did I play better that game?

 

[Rovsea]

As you know Skobelev told me the roles of madchemist and Euro, and asked me to set the brutal on one of them. I knew that my pack was doomed, and I wanted to "compensate" Skobie, so I went with his suggestion.


GG and thanks for hosting happycats! It was a great game for being your first one.

I actually did not know that. I did know you were in a thread with Skobie, but he didn't copy over exactly what was said there.

 

[al-Aziz]

I do now realize all of the people who say I was raving have thus far been the baddies so I don't really think your opinion matters because your minds were already made up thus my raving had no effect on you other then Aziz who actually did vote Rovsea for some reason. I could be wrong but I don't think I am, which is very rare, and I'm far too ignorant to see otherwise.

I didn't know if you were right or wrong. The wolves were rather tight-lipped.

 

[madchemist]

Well, GG guys. It's always tough going when you center your JL on a cursed player, and it blew up on me.

As a side note, I personally think PL is far too powerful a role to make cursed, but to be honest I fell like it's simply too powerful a role to include most games, except maybe with a 3-use limit.

 

[Deleted user]

As a side note, I personally think PL is far too powerful a role to make cursed, but to be honest I fell like it's simply too powerful a role to include most games, except maybe with a 3-use limit.

Have to agree that was a poor move on my part. And yeah, PL needs some limits (limited roles and traits, limited uses, or specific groups that they can only use one of).

 

[madchemist]

Oh, one other thing: Rovsea making Luftwafer change the protection orders was a mistake on his part. Have Hax brutalize EURO the out-in-the-open padre, have me hunted as I'm unguarded (except by EURO, but you didn't know that) and blame my death on the presence of a witch, and you're home free. The reverse opened you up to much more suspicion and should have made a few people realize something weird was up. I was expecting to die soon, but I had discussed GA protection for EURO with Rovsea and, as you saw, told tonka about it.

(That said, at first glance after I saw I was dead, I didn't think Rovsea was evil and I thought tonka was nuts. So yeah, I might have missed it myself had I still been in the game.)

 

[Rovsea]

Oh, one other thing: Rovsea making Luftwafer change the protection orders was a mistake on his part. Have Hax brutalize EURO the out-in-the-open padre, have me hunted as I'm unguarded (except by EURO, but you didn't know that) and blame my death on the presence of a witch, and you're home free. The reverse opened you up to much more suspicion and should have made a few people realize something weird was up. I was expecting to die soon, but I had discussed GA protection for EURO with Rovsea and, as you saw, told tonka about it.

(That said, at first glance after I saw I was dead, I didn't think Rovsea was evil and I thought tonka was nuts. So yeah, I might have missed it myself had I still been in the game.)

Yeah, definitely my biggest mistake of the game. I'm not sure why we ended up not doing that. I think it was because we weren't sure we could convince Hax to Brutal the out in the open Padre over the presumably hidden Priest.

 

[Wagonlitz]

Werewolf CXC: Oliver Twist​

The Setting​

Oliver Twist a young orphan has run away and been forced into a gang of thieves led by a fence. During a housebreaking he is badly hurt, but manages to get taken care of by the Maylies. There is now a search for Oliver's origins, but simultaneously a man known as Monks lurks in the shadows and scheme against Oliver...


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