Unvote TheExecuter
Vote DrXav
Because of Lord Strange's outing of him as a false priest. Of course, if DrXav actually turns out to be the priest, we will lynch Lord Strange tomorrow.
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Unvote TheExecuter
Vote DrXav
Because of Lord Strange's outing of him as a false priest. Of course, if DrXav actually turns out to be the priest, we will lynch Lord Strange tomorrow.
You're really willing to potentially lose the priest on the word of Strange? Strange could be a lucky sorcerer who with the death of the seer, and by bumping off the priest before he's had the chance to take an apprentice will now be free to run around unchecked.
I don't see how randakar could be evil given that baddie leaders tend to sit on their traits and only use it to protect themselves or to bring parity on the last day. Of course randakar sometimes thinks out of the box but his conversation with drxav sounded genuine.
If someone contacted Lord Strange claiming to be the real priest then either we have a two priest game (not impossible seeing how the cultists are more important than usually) or one of the priests are lying. I could see a sorcerer or cultist drxav telling the truth about scanning Xeno but lying about being a priest. The other scenario is makes less sense. Why would a baddie Lord Strange or a baddie talking to Lord Strange lie about being the priest. That makes very little sense and odds are they would be exposed for the net gain of a priest.
Reasoning like that I guess I should vote drxav but then again lynching the priest would be really, really bad. OTOH can we just let Lord Strange's contact's statement slide?
Arghhhh!
A day 2 vote shouldn't have to involve that much thinking!
If someone contacted Lord Strange claiming to be the real priest then either we have a two priest game (not impossible seeing how the cultists are more important than usually) or one of the priests are lying. I could see a sorcerer or cultist drxav telling the truth about scanning Xeno but lying about being a priest. The other scenario is makes less sense. Why would a baddie Lord Strange or a baddie talking to Lord Strange lie about being the priest. That makes very little sense and odds are they would be exposed for the net gain of a priest.
Reasoning like that I guess I should vote drxav but then again lynching the priest would be really, really bad. OTOH can we just let Lord Strange's contact's statement slide?
Arghhhh!
A day 2 vote shouldn't have to involve that much thinking!
So...last night, I did some thinking.
Why would randakar use the leader trait on the FIRST DAY, unless he knew exactly who he was saving AND killing? Is he good? If so, how could he take the risk of killing the seer? Is he bad? How did he know who the seer was? The risks are appallingly high either way, and extreme play is generally frowned upon amongst the veterans here. Things do not add up. However...
Let's travel a what-if scenario....
What if Randakar is a Paranoid, Leader wolf. He would want to be scanned ASAP, correct? Hey presto, BEFORE WE EVEN HAD NIGHT ZERO, Randakar posts the following:
This post daring the seer to scan him. He does get scanned. Now knowing the identity of the seer, he and his pack manipulate the voting so that the seer has at least half the votes of the lead candidate, knowing the randakar will be able to thus remove Kiwi.
If this is plausible, and I think it fits the story of what happened yesterday better than randakar's protestations of innocence, then we should find more wolves in the vote switches in or out of the list on Kiwi.
I find it hard to believe that a player of randakar's ability would use the leaderlynch so flippantly on day 1 while simultaneously being ignorant of any players involved.
Why would randakar use the leader trait on the FIRST DAY, unless he knew exactly who he was saving AND killing? Is he good? If so, how could he take the risk of killing the seer? Is he bad? How did he know who the seer was? The risks are appallingly high either way, and extreme play is generally frowned upon amongst the veterans here. Things do not add up. However...
Let's travel a what-if scenario....
What if Randakar is a Paranoid, Leader wolf. He would want to be scanned ASAP, correct? Hey presto, BEFORE WE EVEN HAD NIGHT ZERO, Randakar posts the following:
Considering how activating that trait requires your death I suspect blood on your uniform would be both unavoidable and the least of your problems.
Speaking of which -
Standing order:
Brutalize Adamus
Backup humancalculator
Seeing how chains of brutal traits firing tend to crack up the GM and I have no better target at this time..
It's a trait, so there is no real reason why we shouldn't be able to get it.
And it can be very useful. For starters, anyone who tries to lynch me this game will have to consider very carefully if that idea is good for his health.
Also, I -will- sub back in and go after any hunter or leader villager who tries to kill me because of some "goodies can't be brutal" nonsense, thanks.
@reis - is it possible for me to put in a conditional order to brutalize any leader that tries to leaderlynch me?
This post daring the seer to scan him. He does get scanned. Now knowing the identity of the seer, he and his pack manipulate the voting so that the seer has at least half the votes of the lead candidate, knowing the randakar will be able to thus remove Kiwi.
If this is plausible, and I think it fits the story of what happened yesterday better than randakar's protestations of innocence, then we should find more wolves in the vote switches in or out of the list on Kiwi.
I find it hard to believe that a player of randakar's ability would use the leaderlynch so flippantly on day 1 while simultaneously being ignorant of any players involved.
Well, well, well, what do we have here?
Apparently a "trustyworthy source" told you who the "real" priest is. That's rather peculiar. How would you know that source is more trustworthy than me? It's just day two, that means everyone just had one scan. That would mean the supposedly priest scanned you and took the risk of giving himself away to a wolf just to get an undetermined player lynched? Ain't that a little big? Or are you just another cultist willing to sacrifice himself to get the priest down? Or perhaps he is a cultist willing to sacrifice to get the last scanner down?
Let me see it that way:
- cultist scans LS who turns out to be a villager. Tells him I'm not the priest. LS gets me lynched. LS gets lynched the next day. Profit.
- LS is a cultist. LS gets me lynched. LS gives away someone else's name he might put so much heart into it the village digs it and lynches another innocent. Profit.
LS's little story doesn't make sense. How would a priest risk outing himself to a wolf to get an undetermined player lynched? More importantly given he's the last JL hope.
I gave my scan list in the very last minute before I thought I'd die. The google chat conversation he posted doesn't show it, but it was around 22:27. I really didn't think I would survive this. And if you want the whole truth I scanned Randy last night and he turns out to be a villager as well. So my scan list so far is Xeno and Randy. I reckon Xeno will confirm his status.
Randy did what he thought good for the village, he had no idea, nor did I that Kiwi was the seer (there was no way for us to know anyways). Why would a baddie risk so much on day 1. Think about it. If Randy is a baddie, then:
- we got 2 baddies 1st and 2nd in command, that's rather big.
- he'd just screw himself up to save a wolf and kill a mere villager (he didn't know Kiwi was the seer)??
Really, Randy's actions don't make sense if he's a baddie. He got very very suspicious because of that, and if he did it on purpose that would mean he'd sacrifice 2 supposedly wolves (he couldn't be a cultist because cultists don't know anyone) in exchange of a villager.
Randy being a baddie don't make sense either. Why would he attract the spotlights to save a packmate? Moreover I would like you all to note that Randy did vote me instead of defending me. He resorted to leader-lynching in the very last minute, that's a bit too clumsy for people that would plan this much ahead.
And who profits from that? The bad side. They lose a cultist, or kill a gullible villager and get the priest lynched instead of being forced to let him live since he's protected.
Baddies know they can't really touch me tonight. The only solution is to have me lynched. The great propaganda battle has begun.
LS, I don't know about you, you shall be warned you'll be my scan for tonight. But something wrong is going on, and the baddies are pushing us into the gap.
You presume this game won't have two priests.
Unlikely, granted, but it has happened before.
If I may, this is rather simple to solve: Let both priests live. Whichever gives us cultists to kill obviously is the real deal.
Until then any attempt to lynch either will just be doing the wolves' work for them, I reckon.
I can see drxav saying he's an innocent villager until the very last second on a lynching day. Seeing him say he's a priest 60 seconds before the deadline .. no.
Especially not given that he also gave us a scanlist - Xeno the non-sorcerer-non-cultist ..
So yes, maybe we do have a two priest game going on.
By the way folks, may I remind you my brutal order is still in effect? If I get lynched today whoever voted me last will meet his death at my hands. That I guarantee.
Nice.
Do I need to remind you that the objective of this game is to survive until the end? As a baddie I would never use such an ability if I had ways to quietly get the seer killed instead. The attention level you get this way is just too incredibly bad for your health.
But obviously you really are a wolf that sees a chance to misdirect the lynch onto a villager ..
Too much uncertainty, too many ifs.
Seriously, I've never seen such a level of plotting.
First Randy would have to be: wolf / leader / SA.
Second he gets scanned and knows the seer: why prepare a complicated plan to: run him up, then run him down, get a packmate voted, then sacrifice his leader trait to save said packmate while letting 50% of votes on seer, then bother with all the justifications.
That's just a lose-lose-lose scenario. He loses his leader trait, he loses credibility, he loses a packmate.
Really, if I were a leader-SA-wolf, I get scanned by the seer, I don't bother, I just hunt him the next day.
It has come to my attention apprentices know they're apprentices.
Please get in touch with me ASAP if you're one so I can claim you. Thank you.
And still waiting for that GA.
Please get in touch with me ASAP if you're one so I can claim you. Thank you.
And still waiting for that GA.
DON'T LISTEN TO HIM!
Also, I will ask the priest to scan you tonight- I am the priest's apprentice! Could I get protection tonight please - if I die, you know to kill drxav.
Of course if this is a 2 priest game, this is awkward.
Also, I will ask the priest to scan you tonight- I am the priest's apprentice! Could I get protection tonight please - if I die, you know to kill drxav.
Of course if this is a 2 priest game, this is awkward.
This is an excellent point. Lets see who will bring us cultists to lynch!
Since the doc already has contacted drxav I don't see how letting a false priest (if there is any) live would matter. Hm, well, except maybe if he is a sorcerer and the apprentices all get claimed by the sorc intead of by the priest. That would be a bugger.
Of course you'll have me scanned tonight. I can pretty much predict what the result will be: sorcerer or cultist.
And of course you need protection tonight, so I won't be protected.
Are you serious?
Possibly. But then again, it fits more than saying that randakar played his leader ability on THE FIRST DAY and 'accidently' bumps off the seer.
First:
Randy would have to be a wolf, paranoid, and the leader. It isn't really all that implausible.
Second:
Why make the obvious claim to be brutal so public and so early, unless he WANTED to be scanned.
Third:
I never said anything about 'saving packmates.' IMO, none of the leading candidates night 1 would be likely to be wolves. Leader lynching the seer would be infinitely preferable to lynching ANY OTHER PERSON. The identity of the lynch leader was irrelevant.
The seer dies - win.
He loses his leader trait - for killing the seer? Hell yes, win.
He doesn't lose a packmate, because no packmates were run-up, IMO - win
He loses credibility - leader lynch on first day, yep...lose.
Just posting the possibilities.
Fucking hell! What a complete mind-fuck. My first impression was a bunch of baddies (drx, randy) pulling a con on the village. But after reading Drxav's post Im not so sure....
I dont think we can afford to lynch the priest so Im gonna vote someone who hasnt claimed to be anyone important and yet has behaved suspiciously, by promoting useless ties beyond the useful 3 people...
Vote Esemesas!
I dont think we can afford to lynch the priest so Im gonna vote someone who hasnt claimed to be anyone important and yet has behaved suspiciously, by promoting useless ties beyond the useful 3 people...
Vote Esemesas!
If I die, I hope the village rips you into Floper-sized chunks, and then pours scorn on you.
If I live, well, I might just forgive you.
Why don't we vote Randakar?
When he dies, then we will know if he was good or bad...and all this talk about drxav and Lord Strange can be analyzed in the light of more data?
Vote Randakar
When he dies, then we will know if he was good or bad...and all this talk about drxav and Lord Strange can be analyzed in the light of more data?
Vote Randakar
Don't be ridiculous. You will get no information from lynching Randy.
Here's the result: you lynch Randy the villager.
What now?
Make hypothesis.
Here's the result: you lynch Randy the villager.
What now?
Make hypothesis.
If randakar was a villager, than we know that he wasn't acting in concert with anyone, and it really was just a mind-blowingly STUPID move on randakar's part. We can then debate why he chose to state publically that he was brutal, thereby inviting all of the attention that ended up with the seer dead.
IF Randakar is just a villager, then his play to this point has been very noobish. I certainly don't consider randakar to be a noob...do you?