Sorry, that's werewolf big in which I've only ever started as villager. WWL I'm wolf all the time (see my sig)
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That was goddamn crazy. Well done to the JL, and thanks to Euro :wub:
If only I hadn't been turned, I might have got another win
If only I hadn't been turned, I might have got another win
So Big only? Alright.
9 games.
4x Villager
1x Witness
1x Wolf
2x Sorc Apprentice
1x Cultist
The wolf and cultist were as subs, in which I barely survive more than a day. Sorcerer's apprentice starts as villager.
Witness is supposed to be a trait, blame Rysz for that.
Witness is supposed to be a trait, blame Rysz for that.
That was goddamn crazy. Well done to the JL, and thanks to Euro :wub:
If only I hadn't been turned, I might have got another win
Blame those who lynched Bagricula. I had a hunt order for him that night with you as backup.
Actually, that means you can blame me all you want.
End result: Do something with your villager trait instead of just sitting there. Force your way into the JL, don't wait for them to come calling. Stir stuff up. Analyze the chaos that comes out of it. Talk to other people both in and out of the thread. Use the information to dig around and find out as much as you can.
And never tell apprentices anything. And if you do tell them and then get magically outed, brutalize them.
This is good advice, but it did not matter here as this game was dominated by too many roles and traits. Even if I had the time to actually play, the possibility of actually being relevant as a plain villager in a game like this is very low. There are simply too many people with traits and roles. Too many scanners and apprentices. You may orchestrate some brilliant scheme or analysis and uncover the role of one of your enemies, only to realize that the 20 fucking scanners made it pointless.
We, apparently including EURO, never seem to learn this lesson. Maybe someday we will.
Now, are you telling me no-one bothered to scan Paendrag, especially when he could have been turned?
I did not out you to the JL, actually. And I doubt Slinky's pack did.
I did tell Slinky you had been turned... it was obvious.
About myself, I was drafted into TNT's pack, stolen by Slinky before his pack hunted TNT, sold out Najs's pack to Slinky's pack, and then got outed to the JL by Ciryandor.
Paendrag wanted me to sell the waffles to the JL and hope for the best. As if I am not run up enough on the first days, without incurring the wrath of my still living co-baddies...
I did not out you to the JL, actually. And I doubt Slinky's pack did.
Paen, did the info I feed you help?
I did tell Slinky you had been turned... it was obvious.
About myself, I was drafted into TNT's pack, stolen by Slinky before his pack hunted TNT, sold out Najs's pack to Slinky's pack, and then got outed to the JL by Ciryandor.
Paendrag wanted me to sell the waffles to the JL and hope for the best. As if I am not run up enough on the first days, without incurring the wrath of my still living co-baddies...
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Ciryandor could have, IIRC, as you were outed on the night after I "scanned" Ciryandor. And he probably did it while still a baddie. Or you might just have been scanned.
Oh, Najs, btw, why pick Marty for brutal? He was a reasonable target for a goodie role, but one that should have been hunted, and not brutalized. Brutal should have been applied to the otherwise invulnerable Paendrag.
We didn't, sure we were talking about it, but never did it. We have not given the goodies one baddie name. We didn't even when we knew you were going to hunt Vainglory. We had to take out walrus though, since from the people you hadn't scanned yet half were baddies affiliated with our pack. I think we lost because we thought you our biggest immidiate threat (which was correct since walrus was going to hunt Rendap) and you thought the packs were the same structure wise. We were focusing a lot of attention and hunts on each other which cut into our searching for the priest. All that information leaking to the JL was our deathsentence. If that hadn't happened it would have become a fun game which might have gone to the wire (if we were lucky enough to survive all those hunters that is)
I believe I had you as a backup scan the night I died. Scan #1 was on Ciry.
We got your name from Ciryandor.
The amount of scanners, apprentices and the apprentice stealing was pretty much what defined this game. That and the fact a number of apprentices got scanned by the baddies but weren't actually interested in being baddies (Randakar, Ciryandor) so they fed us all the info. Unfortunately, there were more baddie scanners than goodie scanners and especially after my death, there was no way to win the apprentice tug-of-war. Both Ciryandor and Randakar lost as baddies even though they were willing and able helpers of the JL...
We didn't, sure we were talking about it, but never did it. We have not given the goodies one baddie name. We didn't even when we knew you were going to hunt Vainglory. We had to take out walrus though, since from the people you hadn't scanned yet half were baddies affiliated with our pack. I think we lost because we thought you our biggest immidiate threat (which was correct since walrus was going to hunt Rendap) and you thought the packs were the same structure wise. We were focusing a lot of attention and hunts on each other which cut into our searching for the priest. All that information leaking to the JL was our deathsentence. If that hadn't happened it would have become a fun game which might have gone to the wire (if we were lucky enough to survive all those hunters that is)
Unless Najs got scanned by the Seer, it must have been Ciryandor, who was still a baddie, who I accidentally (I swear it wasn't intentional, too many PM's at the same time caused a system overload) included as CC to Najs. I do believe that Slinky had already mentioned Najs to him already, though. It's a bit unsporting that Ciry left the strongest pack at the time to sell us out to the JL. If he hadn't, he had conditions to win the game with pack A.
I have to say, I don't like this version of apprentices. It sure adds paranoia, and seems inspired in my cultist subversion idea (EURO will kill me for saying this), but the apprentices aren't trusted neither by the baddies nor by the goodies, and they have the ability to swap sides too easily.
Heck, the apprentice shuffle started on night 1 when both Seer and Priest scanned Ciryandor who was a Cultist's apprentice. He ended up serving Paendrag the Priest who outed Ciry's former master Eternaly_Lost as a Cultist and spent the rest of the game as the most important goodie scanner in plain sight.
I've done that in the past, and it usually ends up with you getting brutalized. Or with the GA/Doc deciding not to protect you, like Kiwi's game.