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You making a crovax is a bad move too; you were toast as soon as that crovax was discovered. And I didn't kill two mates; luft volunteered to be lynched.
Some people are intrinsically more emotional than others; I for instance wouldn't have got emotional in DNC's position. So you entirely went by emotions instead of logic and fact; and used the fact that English isn't my first language against me. That actually rather annoys me.
Indeed.
As I said in the pack PM I didn't see audren buying it until after I had posted my vote.
Also I still believe you would have died for it; if no later then when Rovs died which it was pretty certain he would anyway.
No I don't; I do admit when I make mistakes. But voting you when a villager discovers your crovax isn't a mistake.
You would have been lynched when Rovs died; and you said yourself in the pack PM you didn't expect Rovs to live. So I didn't destroy anything and if LK had played properly instead of basing his vote on emotions and on whether or not English is your mother tongue I would have won.
No you said I sold out mates.
Why wouldn't I have won if Health hadn't been subbed out?
We should have just mass suicided
If CC hadn't said he wasn't going to vote that would have happened
If CC hadn't said he wasn't going to vote that would have happened
Thanks. So were the lot of you though. You successfully made me think I was crazy for suspecting you and channel Wagon's wolf vibes into innocent Jerman (sorry @JermanTK )
Well though I had a shit load of goodie points (Why the fuck would I try to create a tie to lynch 2 of my packmates @happycats517 ? I'm serious here.) People still believed that I was a wolf. If Wagon didn't hunt Happycats and went for Health or DNC, then I expect that Happycats would've been lynched as his case against me was stupid.
I did volunteer however and made that post to clear rovs, but nobody ever talked about it
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Err.. madchemist was not playing this game? The case on you wasn't as stupid as you think though, your voting record was almost as bad as mine
Which is probably a good thing xD
But no, happycats would not have lynched for his case on you. Sure, it didn't work out, but he still had plenty of villager cred which outweighed his case on you.
Yea no. No one actually bought the case. Audren was discouraged and you decide to go on a crusade and get your packmate lynched. And when you killed me you killed Rovsea as well. Were not counting lufty.
I knew he wasn't going to live because he was going to get run up in the tie. But I had already expressed an interest in him being tied since he was a lost cause. Your nonsensical idiocy caused my death unnecessarily.
Then you would realize that voting me and lynching me (who was nearly cleared) lost you the game
In a famous example of why that's not always true, I believe that aedan actually tied two of his packamtes together, then went on to win the game.
Wo wo wo wo
Are we saying wagonlitz lost because of racism
Because that's what I read reading that
Are we saying wagonlitz lost because of racism
Because that's what I read reading that
But it's important to note that Wagon is not Aedan. The strategy only works if you are one of the best players (which Wagon is not) and are able to find absurd ways out of sticky situations. You of all people should know about Aedan and his tricks
But his case was that stupid....
His whole case rested on the fact I was late to counter snipe...
Thanks for hosting Aziz.
LK in the friend PM posts you quoted k-59 said Health shouldn't post too obviously about being a friend? What was that about? I also wonder if what k-59 had picked up on was the same which made me ping Health as a friend.
Also Jerman at some point you quoted all of the remaining wolves; we had a laugh over it.
Also DNC while I cannot remember which game it was I actually lost as a cleared villager once exactly because the last wolf did what I accused you of doing---i.e. not hunting the cleared goodie. So it has happened---and I have seen it happen multiple times. But finding the examples would take a lot of time since it is rare it even is possible to do.
LK in the friend PM posts you quoted k-59 said Health shouldn't post too obviously about being a friend? What was that about? I also wonder if what k-59 had picked up on was the same which made me ping Health as a friend.
It would have paid off if LK hadn't gone emotional and actually looked at the facts. Though I did state before hunting Audren that taking happy first and then Audren might give me less trouble on the last day. But happy had talked about a TIE which was the sole reason I didn't take him first. I wonder whether or not taking him first would have changed anything; I would say it wouldn't since LK just went for emotions and passionate posts.
You shouldn't have a rule stating you cannot post role PMs then.
Also Jerman at some point you quoted all of the remaining wolves; we had a laugh over it.
You mean wombat? And Health was supposed to be hunted instead of wombat. Aziz simply misread the pack PM; it clearly stated that Health was out hunt for that night since I believed him to be a friend due having pinged him. He then was the hunt the next day again, but k-59 outed himself. @k-59 you actually were right in it being me who changed the hunt to you. Though game wise it wouldn't have mattered since if I hadn't changed it we would still have nabbed a friend. Then we switched to taking out cleared players since that seemed better than taking out the last friend.
Also DNC while I cannot remember which game it was I actually lost as a cleared villager once exactly because the last wolf did what I accused you of doing---i.e. not hunting the cleared goodie. So it has happened---and I have seen it happen multiple times. But finding the examples would take a lot of time since it is rare it even is possible to do.
... which is a legitimate case to make. "Late" counter-snipes are things are wolves do to build credibility. Now, I wouldn't necessarily think you did that, since I'm not sure if you've ever seen that happen in a game you've played in, so I'd have been less inclined to vote you for that, but it's not all that stupid.
I think I know what you're talking about, but I'm not going to check to make sure, because we aren't talking about that, OK? OK.But it's important to note that Wagon is not Aedan. The strategy only works if you are one of the best players (which Wagon is not) and are able to find absurd ways out of sticky situations. You of all people should know about Aedan and his tricks
Thanks Aziz, and GG all. I apologise to DNC and Wagon for being obtuse and capricious, but all I can say is that you both had such decent voting records that, had Health not have already have been known to be the last friend, I would've thought him the last wolf.
Because despite the fact that Wagon was a wolf, he sort of had a point that it'd be easy to fake a missed snipe there to look cleared. Step out of your shoes and pretend someone else did it that looked like the most wolfish based on voting record? Would you believe them when they said they just happened to miss the snipe?
Also your reasoning of not wanting to get lynched is something that I'll always continue pushing a case for. Villagers shouldn't be playing to not get lynched, that's like playing to not lose, and imo isn't much more useful than a wolf to the village. Make well reasoned arguments and thoughtful analysis and you likely won't be lynched. Note that I lynched Sleepy and almost lynched k-59 before you and no one was talking about lynching me, except for Jackson (a wolf) who quickly backed off when I calmly and logically explained my position. And this was because I was putting forward analysis and being an asset to the village by discussing players and analyzing cases. Not wanting to get lynched means you stay off the main candidates and only vote confirmed wolves which ironically is a good way to look like a wolf.
This. Also, Rovsea would have seen it or at least been able to think of it and I wouldn't put it past Jackson to concoct such a plan. I had assumed someone else had given him direction on it.