While waiting for the GM to officially end the game, I'd like to express my supreme disatisfaction with the lynch choice today, in opposition to days of campaigning by me to avoid this outcome.
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Griffin was the most likely wolf in my opinion. Though lets hope you aren't right and Health turns out the wolf.
Actually, I think you could not help me in any way. I was too "obvious" as a candidate.
Really, I'm not a wolf.
Well that means the village won then.
You might have been able to turn it had you actually fought it.
Go back to sleep, sweet Health.
Potential reasons for F72Voyager's continued absence in order of decreasing plausibility.
F72Voyager is busy with or exhausted by a job or a girlfriend ("I need constant attention!")
F72Voyager is distracted by other diversions, or is partying
F72Voyager is bored with GMing or is just lazy
F72Voyager enjoys GMing so much, he doesn't want it ever to end
F72Voyager, seething with uncontrollable rage over the *redacted* victory, refuses to acknowledge the outcome (village? lupine? can't say yet!)
F72Voyager is stranded in the wilderness without an internet connection
F72Voyager has met an untimely end (due to a car accident? drug overdose? suicide? cancer? auto-erotic asphyxiation? Werewolf attack?)
F72Voyager hath become unto a weevil through inexplicable forces
F72Voyager has drunkenly sauntered into Narnia or Fillory or Middle Earth or somesuch alternate dimension through a wardrobe or something
F72Voyager, being among the elect, has been raptured, leaving us behind in this sinful world to burn in the forthcoming endtimes
Potential reasons for F72Voyager's continued absence in order of decreasing plausibility.
F72Voyager is busy with or exhausted by a job or a girlfriend ("I need constant attention!")
F72Voyager is distracted by other diversions, or is partying
F72Voyager is bored with GMing or is just lazy
F72Voyager enjoys GMing so much, he doesn't want it ever to end
F72Voyager, seething with uncontrollable rage over the
F72Voyager is stranded in the wilderness without an internet connection
F72Voyager has met an untimely end (due to a car accident? drug overdose? suicide? cancer? auto-erotic asphyxiation? Werewolf attack?)
F72Voyager hath become unto a weevil through inexplicable forces
F72Voyager has drunkenly sauntered into Narnia or Fillory or Middle Earth or somesuch alternate dimension through a wardrobe or something
F72Voyager, being among the elect, has been raptured, leaving us behind in this sinful world to burn in the forthcoming endtimes
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EDIT: I dunno I'm pretty wasted, maybe he is too.
EDIT: I dunno I'm pretty wasted, maybe he is too.
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Well that means the village won then.
You might have been able to turn it had you actually fought it.
Not a wolf means not a baddie. This game was too confusing.
I know, I know. Just not in the last two days.
Actually, I think we can already reveal our real roles. Show yourself, conspirator!
noooo its gub a be lrpoer ordnunngnn niiiiiii
EDIT: no, it's gotta be proper ordnung no
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We can't wait forever on our esteemed GM.
I'm the last wolf. The reason I voted Alynkio day 2 was that I thought he was finished from that PM deal. I genuinely had just come back and hadn't been on all day, and then I'm presented with a claim that Alynkio had burned himself on PM shenanigans with 5 minutes to deadline. I judged him unsalvageable at the time and hence voted him---not so certain anymore whether he actually would have been unsalvageable.
Slinky was voted because he literally asked us. He felt that if we all voted him then the goodies would hesitate and switch to somebody else.
Also I literally thought the game was lost when aedan revealed the PM thing from JCan. That is a very good example why, if you don't make generic villager role PMs, you need to post the role PM in thread. As it was JCan managed to completely clear himself (hence the hunt) and aedan was pretty much cleared from the PM shenanigans too (hence why he was hunted next).
Also Voyager don't take it too harshly. Everybody makes mistakes---heck I almost did the exact same thing in my Further India game. Though due to writing individual role PMs I'm not certain anybody realised that the PMs were broken.
I'm the last wolf. The reason I voted Alynkio day 2 was that I thought he was finished from that PM deal. I genuinely had just come back and hadn't been on all day, and then I'm presented with a claim that Alynkio had burned himself on PM shenanigans with 5 minutes to deadline. I judged him unsalvageable at the time and hence voted him---not so certain anymore whether he actually would have been unsalvageable.
Slinky was voted because he literally asked us. He felt that if we all voted him then the goodies would hesitate and switch to somebody else.
Also I literally thought the game was lost when aedan revealed the PM thing from JCan. That is a very good example why, if you don't make generic villager role PMs, you need to post the role PM in thread. As it was JCan managed to completely clear himself (hence the hunt) and aedan was pretty much cleared from the PM shenanigans too (hence why he was hunted next).
Also Voyager don't take it too harshly. Everybody makes mistakes---heck I almost did the exact same thing in my Further India game. Though due to writing individual role PMs I'm not certain anybody realised that the PMs were broken.
Well didn't see that coming.
It wasn't PM shenanigans, it was the fact the villager PMs call us wolves, and Alynkio didn't seem to understand that and Rovsea picked up on it. I'd thought it was a silly reason and considered it possible that Alynkio just hadn't read the thread closely or didn't think it impossible for a wolf to claim something off the RP roles. But even with you voting Alynkio at a key point I still had you as a likely wolf prior to the Slinky lynch, simply because I realised by process of elimination that a wolf had to have voted a packmate in the first two days.
That was the deciding factor for me, when you followed me onto Slinky as the second vote. With parity one bad lynch away I didn't see a wolf switching off a leading villager to a packmate with one vote on them. And Slinky's reason was stupid, on parity the village needs unity so all the votes hitting one candidate is not as suspicious as it would be on another day. Jeray was also the next to switch to Slinky, so I found it implausible that the first two players who followed me onto a wolf were themselves wolves. I see how that was the case now, but the reason given isn't one I expected, or think was reasonable. Even when JCan expressed doubt in the choice of Slinky as the lynch you argued in favor of staying the course against Slinky, so I think you were being more ruthless than just following that reason of Slinky's.
Yeah pursuing that might have caught out the wolves, but it was clearly a meta case only possible by GM action, so I refused to abuse that, as I had when JCan first proposed it.
I thought Health acted like such an obvious wolf on the last day, and that Wagonlitz was a villager who had gotten lost in tunnel vision against Griffin, who was clearly a worthless villager. Though I was baffled how Griffin pulls up some random post from me on day 3 to backup the Health vote, then Health himself got the actual post on my last day where I said Health was the most likely wolf after jeray. I did mention some reasons for possibly doubting Health was a wolf, but only after I said Griffin and Wagon were all but cleared, so it really wasn't a smart thing for Health to point out, well if any villager left alive was smart enough to pick up on that.
Well, recently I looked through "Player History" and saw the outcome "GM lost". Looks like this situation can be called so.
PM shenanigans was the wrong word. I'm aware it was due to the wording in the villager role PM. As mentioned I literally only came on just before deadline and with the limited time I had I deemed that Alynkio had hung himself with that comment. Had I had more time I might have concluded otherwise. And with both needing to vote and being called out on my opinion on that PM thing then I deemed that if I didn't vote Alynkio then I'd be a dead man walking too.
Though I am still a bit confused how you could give Griffin that much credit for his Alynkio vote day 1 (which really wasn't that dangerous), but consider me more suspicious despite having made a more crucial Alynkio vote day 1 and been the sole reason Alynkio hung day 2. New players can make such vote after all; and I just remembered that they also can be coached. Like for instance how Delta in his first big participated in a big PM scheme which many people thought cleared him, since a first time would wouldn't do something like that, but he turned out to actually be a wolf. In reality Delta had been told by a vet to do that PM thing. So Griffin could have been told to make sure to vote a mate early.
With regard to role PMs then the wolf one was this, so had Alynkio read that a bit better he wouldn't have got into trouble.
"You four possess the knowledge the rest of the world doesn't: All wolves are truly, terribly evil. Also, they may or may not be lizard wolves from the moon. Keep your tin-foil hats on, guys. "
I was caught between a rock and a hard place once I moved to Slinky. Which was why I opposed Slinky's plan and I also did tell him that he would be almost certain to hang if we did it. But Slinky wanted it.
The big problem is that villager Wagon is all about the village staying on the village candidate and keeping ice in their stomachs, so I had to make those arguments when JCan started expressing doubt, since otherwise I'd be very unvillagerish and up for lynch. Now had people started to change then I would have "begrudgingly" changed to a villager, but aside from movement starting I couldn't defend not urging Slinky to be the village choice once I'd moved. It also didn't become easier that JCan and you were cleared and as such villager Wagon would follow your votes (in the end if pursuading you about other target failed) due to it being the last day.
By the way I almost had JCan hunted instead of Aramael the day before the Slinky lynch. When you revealed that PM from JCan I really regretted not having hunted JCan. I wonder whether it would have made you choose differently had JCan and not Aramael been hunted. And whether you'd have considered me less likely to be a wolf.
I was actually quite scared that JCan would ask me for the wording when you brought up that PM, since I was online and had posted at the time. Had he asked then I would have surrendered, since there's no way I'd have been able to find the wording unless it was something like "You are a wolf".
This is not even close to being a GM loss. There were a few hiccups, primarily around no night 0 hunt and the role PMs, but otherwise it was GMed really well and for a first time GM it was more than decent. And in the end the role PM thing didn't end up influencing that much.
The timing made it difficult for me to believe that Griffin was told by his packmates what to do, since it was early day 1. As explained repeatedly, I didn't think it likely a new player would put his first vote day 1 on a packmate who already had a vote and would be put into the tied lead. And "he might have been told to do so by a packmate" is silly. Did Griffin act at any point during the game like he was being coached behind the scenes? Particularly in the later days when he kept whining and giving up at little pressure, plus his refusal to meaningfully contribute until I all but threatened to lynch him. And who would have coached him anyways? Alynkio? Slinky? Jeray? None of them are experiences, active, and confident enough in my opinion to coach a new player early on day 1 to vote a packmate for an alibi vote. Maybe you would have, but since you were trying real hard to lynch Griffin, the two of you being packmates wasn't plausible. Griffin was a bad candidate, as I explained time and again. Can't say I overly blame Health much for following you though, since you also seemed like a bad candidate after the Slinky vote.
Close, it was "Thou art a Wolf." Unless he changed it between players at least.
Sure, I get that. But at the point you switched Griffin was leading in votes, and JCan was voting Griffin too. JCan only switched to Slinky after you told him we needed "ice in our stomachs" in remaining determined on Slinky. I would have expected you as a wolf to remain on Griffin pushing the need for villager consolidation and focus. Plus with Health not voting, the wolves could have just sniped to a villager, get a tie, and win. Speaking of which, why didn't you do that? If you and jeray switched to griffin, he would have tied with Slinky, and you win on the hunt.
It would have made a difference, but difficult to say how much. I had been leaning villager on Aramael, but not to the extent like I considered JCan cleared. I probably still would have pushed Slinky and Jeray as the candidates I was most suspicious of, but with less certainty regarding the third wolf.
Well this is all intersting about how the GM dissapeared and all.
Let's just hope he is alright and decided to leave the game like that and see how everybody make their own conclusions and that he is ok. And is not something serious
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Join the new lite while we wait to see the outcome of this lite
Let's just hope he is alright and decided to leave the game like that and see how everybody make their own conclusions and that he is ok. And is not something serious
P.S.
Join the new lite while we wait to see the outcome of this lite
