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The game has concluded.

As the camp commandant is about to settle into bed, one of the inmates knocks on his door. Prisoner de Gerlache confesses that he has been working for the secret police for the last three years and has infiltrated the camp. Not wanting to cause a stir, the commandant does not kill him, but instead, throws him out to fend for himself.

He goes down to the prisoners' sleeping block, and wakes everyone up. Initially they are grumpy, but then the commandant sits on an empty bunk and tells them what has happened vis-a-vis prisoner de Gerlache. He also explains that now they have successfully removed all the spies, a truck is coming to take them to Yakutsk, where they will be set free.

Winners:

Vainglory
Boris ze Spider
THE_SPLIT
Najs
Morrell8
Napoleon XIX
Steed
 
I take it the commandant is not exactly fond of the higher ups, since he's out to kill all the spies and set the captives free?
 
I've long since emptied my inbox, in fact I have about once a day.

But the role message:

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From : tamius23
To : Capt. Kiwi
Date : 2011-07-06 01:04
Title : Werewolf CCVI
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You may not be a member of the human species, but that does not mean you're clean.

From: Ruslan Borisov
To: wolf
Subject: You work for me now


You probably won't know who I am. I work for the NKVD. You work for me. Thus you work for NKVD.

High up in the system, orders were given. They passed down to me. I pass them down to you.

You must kill enough prisoners, but not too quickly, enough so you outnumber the other prisoners. You must aid comrades Pyon, Gerlache and Trotsky in this effort. Limit yourselves to one a night. That should do. I will deal with the commandant.

The other prisoners will attempt to work out bad workers and the enemies of the revolution, and soon enough they'll find you. Be warned.

The Soviet Union is counting on you.

You are a wolf
The other wolves are:

hebelecan
Falc
Kingepyon


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So there it is:

I have no idea. I don't even know why drxav wanted to wait at all once he had got a wolf.

I want a full explanation from whoever is responsible for this.

I want a full explanation from whoever is responsible for this, please :)


I have to say my JL boys did poorly after I died, and just before that, and a bit before that too.

Here's the story:

Day 1 - I scanned Vainglory and added him to the JL.

Day 2 - I scanned Kiwi who was a wolf. I thought that it was a bit early to risk an outing with just one JL member, and more importantly I wanted to gather information on wolves. So we started observing him.

Day 3 - I scanned Esemesas and greeted him in the JL.

The next day I wake up late and find that I'm being run-up, deadline has changed, and the usually forever-online-spamming-kangaroo isn't even online, I've got 35 minutes to save myself. We had planned that day to out Kiwi had I been still N°1 one hour before deadline.

So I start sending PMs and all, we turn the votes, but Kiwi places a vote on me. Esemesas panicked and outed me instead of Kiwi.


The rest is their thing, when I saw Marty do the Najs outing I started wondering what the fuck was happening there. Then Napoleon subs in for Esemesas, Vain doesn't seem to be online so I thought this JL was going down in flames.
 
And we guessed Vainglory was JL, because he was the one who started the switch to me. Our next hunts should have been esemesas and Vainglory even if the scan list didn't come out, so assuming Falc made it that far it would have been him against Steed, Morrell8, Boris and Split minus whoever he got lynched after Najs.

I don't think he'd have made it any further than that, but it wouldn't be impossible given how badly botched the outings were.
 
Yeah, I pretty much panicked because when I realised the deadline had changed it was 3 or 4 minutes to deadline, so with only 5-6 players online I wasn't sure if we could lynch Kiwi fast enough.

Then the next day, RL intervened, so I sent a PM to marty, whose actions had pretty much cleared him on request of Vainglory, who said he really wanted to win this. In retrospect, I should've just told everyone he was a confirmed villager. While this was to make sure Kiwi would get outed, I completely forgot to vote(oops).

I think Vainglory attacked Najs in order to stay alive, but when you think about it, that would've simply made him a better hunt target.
 
I love how even when I win people still criticize me, without even knowing the facts. Joeb if you want to make snide remarks about "new-ish players and their strange attraction to strange gambits and stupid PM plots that only hurt their own side..." you should keep in mind that Marty99 was the one who did a stealth-outing via PM. You're insulting him much more than me. Not to mention that's a clear reference to Big CVIII, in which Drxav was engaged in precisely such actions. As for "hurting their side" - the village won, something you contributed nothing to. All you did in this game was vote for Split, the wolf candidate - that's a big part of why Najs got fake-outed.

Here are the facts:

On Day 1 Drxav tells me he's scanned me and I'm a goodie. Okay, so I'm the first guy in the JL, unless Drxav wants to make me an IJL pawn. Nothing to do except continue as normal but distance myself from Drxav.

On Day 2 he says he scanned Capt. Kiwi, who is a wolf, but that he wants to find them all before doing outings. I was happy to do that because I was still slightly suspicious about an IJL and because Capt. Kiwi's pack must have learned from CCV that you should always hunt mouthpieces. I was already looking at the people who voted Split as likely wolves: Napoleon XIX, Falc, Joebthegreat, and Kingepyon (Drxav also voted Split to save himself). Drxav reckoned the wolves were new players and scanned Esemesas whereas I recommended scanning Falc, Joebthegreat, or Kingepyon because Napoleon XIX was going to be lynched. Publicly it was just for alibi reasons, but privately there was the Split-vote too. Napoleon XIX was lynched, and not a wolf, as we all remember.

Day 3 Esemesas was added to the JL. I still thought it made sense to scan Falc, Joebthegreat (now Najs), or Kingepyon - I agreed wholeheartedly with Marty99 that we should pursue Kingepyon, and really didn't believe Morrell8 was a good target. I lied about it because if I was on the right track I would be more likely to get hunted than if I was a mile off. Drxav had his scan on Marty99. I had to sleep during most of the day, came on a few hours before deadline, which had been pulled forward, which was awkward, and I found Drxav was tied in the lead. Drxav had told both Esemesas and I that if he was in the lead 1 hour before deadline to out Capt. Kiwi to save him. Seeing the tie, I figured that rather than derail Drxav's "find them first" plan, the best course of action was to snipe onto Kingepyon toward the later part of the day to "lock him in"; too early and we'd get vote-shifting, too late and it would be, well, too late. Just as I posted, Capt. Kiwi ninja'd me by mere seconds. I owe Drxav an apology on that one, I miscalculated slightly and it contributed to his death. Esemesas decided to JL "in" Drxav and that spared him from lynch, but got him hunted, it seems. It was far too late to name Kiwi as a wolf, IMO, and would have pointed to Drxav just as much as Esemesas declaring him scanned.

Day 4. Drxav gets hunted, Esemesas is publicly JL, we've got one wolf name (Kiwi), while two are already dead (Hebelecan and Kingepyon). The lynching of Kingepyon validated my guess that the wolves had run up Split to save Hebelecan. One of the remaining Split voters was almost certainly the last wolf. Esemesas and I conferred on what to do. Esemesas was going to JL out Capt. Kiwi and presumably get hunted, leaving me alive with no scan list - and therefore no reason to be publicly outed. I told Ese to tell Marty99 privately that I was JL late in the day so that I'd at least have someone to work with. Ese wasn't able to play that day, so while I was asleep he PM'd Marty telling him that I was JL. I considered the situation and told Marty99 to out Kiwi, then added that Ese wasn't scanned, he was contacted by Drxav in a blind panic. Najs and Kiwi were scanned along with me. Marty99 didn't want to get hunted, so he figured he'd do a silent outing by PMing various people. It worked, but Marty99 thought the deadline had been moved ahead and now blames me for him being hunted, oddly.

Day 5. Capt. Kiwi is dead, Marty99 gets hunted, and Napoleon XIX subs in for Esemesas. I'm grateful to Napoleon XIX for playing along with my plan, he could simply have said "too hard" and done something rash, but he played my game and it worked perfectly. Putting Najs' name out there was part of a plan. Kiwi's death-by-outing was guaranteed, the last wolf was almost certainly Falc or Najs. On balance Najs was more suspicious: before the outing Kiwi was voting up Falc. If Capt. Kiwi was the last name the JL put out there, the village would have been left without a leader. I could have publicly said it was Falc or Najs, but if I was right that meant death by wolf, and it was predicated on everyone listening to me. So Najs' name is out there and he's cursing and spitting. From pretty early on he had me convinced; a real wolf would know that even if he lasted one day he'd be lynched the next, and surrender. Even if I was wrong about Falc and it turned out to be Najs after all, he was dead anyway. It'd suck for Falc and the hunt victim (most likely Napoleon XIX), but the odds favored Falc being the wolf in the circumstances, so I told Napoleon XIX to publicly repudiate the Najs outing so that Falc would die. What do you know, Falc surrendered.

I got a few lucky breaks like Drxav not using me as a mouthpiece, but I used the tools available to me and that's why I'm one of the winners. I'm sure at least a few will still want to put the boot in and say it was an undeserved victory. That's plain rude to the people who contributed to the victory. Sure it wasn't a textbook steamroller JL like Najs assembled in the previous Lite, but it's been said before: who cares if we won ugly, so long as we won?

Drxav scanned Capt. Kiwi, which is 1/4 wolves obviously, and his plan did help identify other wolves even if he didn't scan them. Marty99 got Kingepyon lynched, 1/4 of the pack again, as well as being a mouthpiece. Are you going to deny them their victory? What about Esemesas/Napoleon XIX? Don't forget Steed, Morrell8, Napoleon XIX, and Najs voted Hebelecan.

And keep in mind this was the cleanest and fastest Lite for its size (17 players) that I've seen. CCIV Wimbledon was as quick in days played, but they lynched 2 villagers not 1. It could only have been cleaner if one less villager had been lynched. It was hardly a poor showing by the village.
 
It's an undeserved victory margin for everyone except marty. And he didn't get the win. It was a poor showing from the JL, and you were very lucky Falc folded. You and esemesas were known to be JL by the wolves, in retrospect we may have been better leaving marty alive and hunting esemesas first, then you - it could have gone all the way to a wolf win if marty had turned on you for "outing" Najs. Especially when you were trying to claim a four person scan list after only three nights of scanning. I wonder how long until the villagers noticed?

You say the wolves should have learned to hunt wolves from Normandy. I say the villagers should have learned to get rid of wolves while they can. You got nothing from delaying your outing of me, except a dead seer and a great alibi for the last wolf. You would have had even less if you hadn't fluked on lynching hebelecan and Kingepyon.

However, the whole game was messed up by the deadline shift and back. While it had its entertaining moments, like marty's supposed last minute snipe that would have been a repeat of Invasion Normandy had he timed it right, I found it quite unsatisfying to play in general.
 
It's an undeserved victory margin for everyone except marty. And he didn't get the win. It was a poor showing from the JL, and you were very lucky Falc folded. You and esemesas were known to be JL by the wolves, in retrospect we may have been better leaving marty alive and hunting esemesas first, then you - it could have gone all the way to a wolf win if marty had turned on you for "outing" Najs. Especially when you were trying to claim a four person scan list after only three nights of scanning. I wonder how long until the villagers noticed?

You say the wolves should have learned to hunt wolves from Normandy. I say the villagers should have learned to get rid of wolves while they can. You got nothing from delaying your outing of me, except a dead seer and a great alibi for the last wolf. You would have had even less if you hadn't fluked on lynching hebelecan and Kingepyon.

However, the whole game was messed up by the deadline shift and back. While it had its entertaining moments, like marty's supposed last minute snipe that would have been a repeat of Invasion Normandy had he timed it right, I found it quite unsatisfying to play in general.

You're wrong on so many points I hardly know where to begin.

I believe there's a component of luck in this game: players don't have enough information to make fully informed decisions. If you wanted to claim that your pack was unlucky in the first day lynch landing on Hebelecan, I'd pay that. There was more method to it than the Wimbledon first-day lynch, but it was still "lucky" because it was done without information. It was also facilitated by you having a packmate who didn't appear to save himself.

But you should also acknowledge that you miscalculated. You tried to get Split lynched, and failed. That gave us enough information to blow your pack apart.

It wasn't luck that Kingepyon died: Marty, and enough villagers, recognized he was more likely to be a wolf than anyone else and consequently lynched him. It was the same for Falc, it was more likely he was a wolf than anyone else remaining, and so he was voted up. That he folded wasn't lucky, he was dead anyway, it changed the outcome by a matter of hours, and 0 deaths. Napoleon XIX was scheduled to repudiate the Najs outing from probably the first hour of Day 5, and that meant Falc was dead.

You call it a poor showing by the JL, but your reasons are ridiculous. As I said above, Falc was doomed, that he surrendered changed nothing.

You should have hunted me and Ese? Your pack was destroyed on Day 5, you had time to hunt one of us after Drxav's death, but not both. And that's assuming your claim you "knew" I was JL is even true, and if it was one is left wondering why you hunted Marty when you knew he wasn't JL.

As for Marty turning on me after Najs got lynched - unlikely. You are consistently missing the part where naming Najs was a calculated move, and where Napoleon XIX was arranged to repudiate it later in the day. Are you missing the part where I voted Falc and not Najs? Najs' kicking and screaming was enough to exonerate him, a real wolf would have given in if he thought he'd been scanned. If there had been no fake outing of Najs the game probably wouldn't have ended on Day 5.

Keep in mind the JL had 3 scans and found 1 wolf, which is about what the odds would indicate. We got that wolf outed and killed. You say the lesson from CCV was that wolves should be outed the day they're scanned. How was that the lesson? Because Najs did it and he won? Well we didn't, and we won - faster than Najs did. You argue the delay gave Falc an alibi - well it didn't work did it? Within about an hour of Day 5 starting I intended to get Falc lynched. That's even assuming your thinking isn't wrong, and it is, because the fact that you apparently tried to get Falc lynched when we knew you were scanned would work equally as an alibi as if we didn't know you were scanned. Contrary you what you think, I'm not an idiot. I saw instantly that your "locking in" vote on Hebelecan didn't clear you at all, even before Drxav told me you were scanned, but I said it did because it made me a less likely hunt target. I was suspicious of you attempting to distance yourself from Falc, even if I did rate think Najs was the more likely wolf.

There was never any four-person scan list claimed. The closest was Esemesas "We took a gamble" which was scant little to go on. Marty99 was told it was me, you, Najs, and Ese was contacted unscanned. The village was never told any scan list, so they could never be certain there was a contradiction, the closest was when Ese said "we decided" but that proved nothing.

The facts really speak for themselves. Your pack got smashed to pieces in 5 short days. You've said nothing that seriously suggests an alternative course of action was better. The only better alternative was Marty's move that would have made a Normandy ending, but he miscalculated. Not my fault that he didn't double check the deadline.
 
I didn't miscalculate. I simply wasn't there, and didn't have much of a clue what was going on till day three, by which time one wolf was dead and another was being run up for no reason. Before that, I literally played as if I were a villager, barring sending hunt orders on people I though wouldn't mind too much if they were gone. There was no given reason for lynching Kingepyon, other than that he was playing like he always has barring the latest couple of days in big, and that he voted SPLIT. I challenge you to find something that says different.

You and ese were the only ones that knew the whole story. There were already villagers voting Najs. You messed up big time by outing him, and you got away lightly. If I were a wolf outed like that, I would kick and scream just like he did. In fact, I even used the minutes before my death to frame it as a calculated move by Najs that he was pretending not to know my identity.

And you did claim to have scanned four people. You, me, esemesas and marty/Najs depending which story you were telling at the time. That confusion could easily lead to a good wolf lynching one or two extra villagers, and you would have deserved it. Even your seer wasn't impressed with how you handled it.

I'm not saying the wolves would have won. There was no pack leader, most of the wolves weren't here often, you fluked hitting one on day one and scanning another that night. You had tenuous grounds at best to get Kingepyon, but there was a better case against drxav believe it or not. A lot of people were voting him before his outing, or even before I changed. But you should never have lost your seer, and you should never have left the village so confused that a decent wolf could have dragged it out. A 4-3 or 4-2 would have been a much fairer reflection of the game - a freakishly lucky start, followed by a bigger shambles than hebelecan's JL a few games back.
 
I didn't miscalculate. I simply wasn't there, and didn't have much of a clue what was going on till day three, by which time one wolf was dead and another was being run up for no reason. Before that, I literally played as if I were a villager, barring sending hunt orders on people I though wouldn't mind too much if they were gone. There was no given reason for lynching Kingepyon, other than that he was playing like he always has barring the latest couple of days in big, and that he voted SPLIT. I challenge you to find something that says different.

You and ese were the only ones that knew the whole story. There were already villagers voting Najs. You messed up big time by outing him, and you got away lightly. If I were a wolf outed like that, I would kick and scream just like he did. In fact, I even used the minutes before my death to frame it as a calculated move by Najs that he was pretending not to know my identity.

And you did claim to have scanned four people. You, me, esemesas and marty/Najs depending which story you were telling at the time. That confusion could easily lead to a good wolf lynching one or two extra villagers, and you would have deserved it. Even your seer wasn't impressed with how you handled it.

I'm not saying the wolves would have won. There was no pack leader, most of the wolves weren't here often, you fluked hitting one on day one and scanning another that night. You had tenuous grounds at best to get Kingepyon, but there was a better case against drxav believe it or not. A lot of people were voting him before his outing, or even before I changed. But you should never have lost your seer, and you should never have left the village so confused that a decent wolf could have dragged it out. A 4-3 or 4-2 would have been a much fairer reflection of the game - a freakishly lucky start, followed by a bigger shambles than hebelecan's JL a few games back.

You weren't there when Hebelecan died? That's a lie: you were there enough to vote Split, at the same time as Falc and Najs did, then change to Drxav, then vote Hebelecan.

If until day 3 you were voting like a villager, which I doubt because day 2 you threw your vote away, as did King and Falc, which looks coordinated to me, and when you're a villager you normally pursue lynch targets, you don't throw your vote away. Also, if you're saying is you didn't try to save Hebelecan, then your pack exposed itself by voting against a wolf on Day 1 for no reason. Are your erstwhile packmates aware that you're making them sound like idiots?

You sent hunt orders on people who wouldn't mind, so you hunted Marty, who clearly did mind, and Nautilu, who is a recently returned veteran? Why not target someone who is a threat of some form?

I voted Kingepyon for two reasons. Firstly, he was a throwaway voter. I have advocated voting for throwaways for at least two previous games, if no better option is available. Secondly, King voted for Split. It was almost certain that the wolves tried to save Hebelecan by running up Split, and that meant King, Falc, Najs/Joeb, Napoleon XIX (dead by that time), and you. From what I remember Marty advocated voting King for precisely those reasons. It wasn't random. If you think lynching someone who is acting normally, even if that behavior is odd, isn't a good idea, then why is Drxav a good target? He was being himself, albeit quieter than usual, but that was because he was a priest in Big CIX, so it would likely have been the same if he were a common villager.

I did not "mess up big time" outing Najs. I was in control the whole time, because I knew what I was doing. Falc surrendered mere seconds before Napoleon XIX posted something that guaranteed his death. If Falc hadn't surrendered he'd have died anyway, even if he'd protested his innocence. I took no notice of your attempt to frame Najs: you were obviously putting on a show to make it look like you weren't connected privately. It was blatantly obvious that's what you were doing, the question was whether that was because you really were, or because you really weren't. I ignored it because it was apparent that you were trying to set up a trap.

Stop insulting the JL and everyone in it. Drxav made his choice, I deferred to him, he was the seer, he's in charge. After everything that has passed between Drxav and me the respectful thing was to defer to his plan. It's useless speculation that he'd be alive if we'd decided to do an outing when we'd pinged you, because that would have been Day 2. Net result Napoleon XIX still alive and therefore cluttering the list of suspects (IE split voters). By your own account he'd still have been run up the next day, and he'd have had 1 less person trying to help him because they'd have been hunted. Well, maybe 1 less; you still seem not to think hunting mouthpieces is a good idea.

If the JL was worse than the Ghosts JL then consequently your pack must be even worse than the Ghosts wolves (and they were pushing the envelope) because you got outed just as fast in a 17/4 setup rather than a 15/3, and apparently this JL was worse.

I pushed for Hebelecan's death on the basis he's a sensible lynch in any case and because it might have given us a lead. Not a total fluke, it did give us a lead. Napoleon XIX was the next rock to turn over, because he voted Split and because he was possibly an alibi vote. Nope, try again. Kingepyon was a likely wolf as a Split voter, and too enigmatic to analyse properly, so a good target. Bam, a wolf. Okay, definitely time to pursue the Split voters. You'd been scanned. It left Falc or Najs. The fake outing of Najs sufficiently satisfied me and Napoleon XIX that he was clear, and we swapped to Falc. Bam, game over man. Without Marty's failure to note the restored deadline you'd have lost even sooner.

Your whinging is rapidly destroying my respect for you, particularly because now you're even lying about it.