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Anyway - was rendap scanned? I thought he was after the way he got lynched. And that's why I contacted King in the first place. I considered contacting snoop too, but King was the way more obvious goodie there

That one had been constant from the start of the day. From when we ate Kinge, I thought he and hdk were JL (which was right, but neither was the seer :/). I only changed one ese order iirc, from someone I don't remember to johho.
As for the rendap thing, just a decent villagerish vote that went wrong. I was pretty shocked that it actually became a bandwagon right after I voted him, we just had some weird bad luck there I think. Ultimately though, there were just too many very cleared players and none of them were the seer. Tough game for the wolves.
 
That one had been constant from the start of the day. From when we ate Kinge, I thought he and hdk were JL (which was right, but neither was the seer :/). I only changed one order, from someone I don't remember to johho.
As for the rendap thing, just a decent villagerish vote that went wrong. I was pretty shocked that it actually became a bandwagon right after I voted him, we just had some weird bad luck there I think. Ultimately though, there were just too many very cleared players and none of them were the seer. Tough game for the wolves.

there was not enough manipulation from your side :)

if you had 2-3 active wolfs that could steer the village you would have a bigger chance. just spam with info/ posts etc and when analyzing you would need to left out some stuff or some plainly make stuff up. just not being too obvious. :)
 
I'm surprised I won this game to be honest... I've never been a priest or seer before, only a spy and cultist, short lived both times. I've never particularly desired to be an important scanner, perhaps as I didn't want to have the village dependent on me not making a mess of it. When I had four villagers scanned into the JL and no wolves located, but one dead without my contribution at all, I was starting to feel like I was letting my side down. I was also surprised that I wasn't transparent as a seer, so hearing I tripped some alarms for you doesn't surprise me, Randy. Walking the tightrope between being obviously reticent or disingenuous, and being verbose or too knowledgeable, isn't easy.

The funny thing is, thinking back on it, if I had expended a little more brainpower on this at the last day I might have figured out you were the seer. 6 people who could be the Seer, snoop was obviously getting targeted by the JL, the_hdk and reis were both impossible, and esemesas and yakman were both substitutes for people while the Seer obviously had been active with the alleged success you guys had if King was to believed. So I could have had a list of people who could NOT be the seer that contained everyone but you.

Good for you that I wasn't a wolf :)

The Seen-Falc outing was to serve a few purposes; protect JL members, divert attention, and to test your loyalty Randy... I was hoping you'd get hunted and thereby answer our questions as to your role; better you hunted than a JL member or my scan target: as Reis put it, a living goodie is nearly as useful as a wolf. Falc I included as a smokescreen; despite being wrong about Yakman I still thought that Falc being a wolf was unlikely. Then I decided, it being the penultimate day, that if I blew the village on a belief that Falc wasn't a wolf I'd be a real ass, so I tied him up there.

I wanted the_hdk or Reis to tell you to out Snoopdogg, but in the event they felt it better to do things softly, which turned out great.

Yeah, I figured that diverting the wolves from the trail of the JL was one of the jobs of that outing. I don't mind that kind of thing too much, I've done it myself.
Had it been someone else than King though I would probably have tried to leave some clues about who the source was somewhere ..
And putting falc in there - well, that was a bit of a shame. I was tempted to just go and say "look, falc obviously isn't a wolf, so let's just not kill him today, kk?" in the thread. Or push perhaps even a little harder. But I had the same problem that you had - we could afford a tie, and if I'd been wrong things might have gone bad for the village.

I feel for you. I had the same thing happen in a Lite where I was in the JL for several days and contributed to the victory, but got hunted last. It really stung to put in the effort and not get the win.

It's par for the course when you're JL. It happened to me a lot. :)

I went after rendap for the said reason - a vote on someone who has a random vote when you have reasons for other candidates is weird. The vote felt funny and I attacked it, and got it right :)

Well, when I read that post of yours I just thought you were *obviously* right. Apparently Johho thought something similar. So even if esemesas had voted for King, Rendap would have been a rather big target on the consecutive days I think.


Though I really did think yak was a wolf after that.

Yakman's behaviour was the opposite of wolfish. Extreme public paranoia towards someone else is not something that you see wolves do a lot, except maybe the *really* good ones. But it was obvious to me later that Yakman v1 was getting run up by the JL - it was all the usual suspects voting him. You, for starters.
That was one of the reasons why I switched to him. Yakman was obviously a JL sanctioned target. the_hdk, was not.
 
there was not enough manipulation from your side :)

if you had 2-3 active wolfs that could steer the village you would have a bigger chance. just spam with info/ posts etc and when analyzing you would need to left out some stuff or some plainly make stuff up. just not being too obvious. :)

That lack of unvote, if not noticed, could have screwed up the village somewhat...
 
Yakman's behaviour was the opposite of wolfish. Extreme public paranoia towards someone else is not something that you see wolves do a lot, except maybe the *really* good ones. But it was obvious to me later that Yakman v1 was getting run up by the JL - it was all the usual suspects voting him. You, for starters.
That was one of the reasons why I switched to him. Yakman was obviously a JL sanctioned target. the_hdk, was not.

I usually look at votes and not behaviour, and his voting was weird. Besides, he was trying to lynch the seer, he was obviously dangerous.

Though his lynch served almost no purpose, seeing as how he subbed back in and tried to get vain lynched the next day anyway - so the JL had to aim the village anyway (though my initial 2 choices were better for that day :D)
 
I usually look at votes and not behaviour, and his voting was weird. Besides, he was trying to lynch the seer, he was obviously dangerous.

Though his lynch served almost no purpose, seeing as how he subbed back in and tried to get vain lynched the next day anyway - so the JL had to aim the village anyway (though my initial 2 choices were better for that day :D)
i was right though - vain was working with reis91.

in fact, if those dumb wolves had hunted the pack that i sketched out for them, they would have won - I handed them the JL!!

i'd say this game was a complete success.
 
i was right though - vain was working with reis91.

in fact, if those dumb wolves had hunted the pack that i sketched out for them, they would have won - I handed them the JL!!

i'd say this game was a complete success.

Lol. If you claim trying to get the JL lynched a success :p.

All jokes aside - it was a good game.
 
I wanted to GM a Lite after Gondolin... but now I'm busy all this week and will likely not have the time :(

@ Yakman

Amusingly Reis was agreeing with me when he wasn't in the JL, and then we resumed our usual standoff once he was in the JL. Which might have tipped people off as odd, but nonetheless, amusing.
 
Who would use such a horrible background? So.... blinding....

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Also;



This applies to the color of the PM as well. But for reference and to prevent players from using it to prove their innocence, I used
dark green for all villager P.M's.

That's why I always include a copy of the villager role PM in the messages to the wolves and seer.

I had no idea who the seer was though. You were pretty damn quiet this game...

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Are you sure you were playing the same game I just read through? :p

Mind you, in the sense that there was a lot less spam from Vainglory than usual you're correct, but there was a touch more than usual analysis. Which for Vainglory means a lot.

I'm surprised I won this game to be honest... I've never been a priest or seer before, only a spy and cultist, short lived both times. I've never particularly desired to be an important scanner, perhaps as I didn't want to have the village dependent on me not making a mess of it. When I had four villagers scanned into the JL and no wolves located, but one dead without my contribution at all, I was starting to feel like I was letting my side down. I was also surprised that I wasn't transparent as a seer, so hearing I tripped some alarms for you doesn't surprise me, Randy. Walking the tightrope between being obviously reticent or disingenuous, and being verbose or too knowledgeable, isn't easy.

Setting up a big JL to strangle the wolves can be just as difficult as identifying the baddies and sniping them off, given that you need to keep your group alive without people mistaking you for a pack. It's much the approach I took in my turn as seer. You did a good job for your team, even if you may not have caught anyone, and you did it pretty well.

Oh, by the way. I'm back, in case you lot haven't noticed. Consider me signed up for the next Lite.
 
Are you sure you were playing the same game I just read through? :p

Mind you, in the sense that there was a lot less spam from Vainglory than usual you're correct, but there was a touch more than usual analysis. Which for Vainglory means a lot.

I wasn't really focusing on finding out who the Seer was through analysis. Wolves were more of a concern. The Seer a nice-to-have, at best.
Besides, I'm not really sure he analysed more than usual. In the lite game I won as a wolf he certainly did a lot of analysis.
 
i was right though - vain was working with reis91.

in fact, if those dumb wolves had hunted the pack that i sketched out for them, they would have won - I handed them the JL!!

i'd say this game was a complete success.

Except that when you first pointed that out, I wasn't. I was scanned that very night, IIRC.
 
Except that when you first pointed that out, I wasn't. I was scanned that very night, IIRC.

People agreeing with each other seems to be taken as an indication that they're working together as a pack quite often.
I don't actually agree with that being much of a reliable indicator though. If you're going to agree with each other all the time, someone will take notice. Besides, why spend breath reinforcing a point your mate just made quite successfully?

Of course, now that I've said this, someone will start doing that :p
 
People agreeing with each other seems to be taken as an indication that they're working together as a pack quite often.
I don't actually agree with that being much of a reliable indicator though. If you're going to agree with each other all the time, someone will take notice. Besides, why spend breath reinforcing a point your mate just made quite successfully?

Of course, now that I've said this, someone will start doing that :p

I've spent large portions of games agreeing with vainglory, sometimes were both villagers, but in one case we were both wolves - from different packs.

We usually arrive at the same conclusion through different evidence (sometimes its the same, but it'd different a lot) and it just reinforced the opinion. Though, it's also good to look at when people are agreeing. If they suddenly start agreeing after being at each other's throats all game, then something might have happened behind the scenes. It also is weird when people agree with someone else based on NO evidence - like what happened in this game, and back a few bigs back where all the JL jumped on someone with no evidence and "agreed" with each other that said person was a good target.

Besides, it's always nice to have someone agree with you, other people pay attention more to the vote when someone says "hey good idea" than if you just post something and no one really comments.
 
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I've spent large portions of games agreeing with vainglory, sometimes were both villagers, but in one case we were both wolves - from different packs.

We usually arrive at the same conclusion through different evidence (sometimes its the same, but it'd different a lot) and it just reinforced the opinion. Though, it's also good to look at when people are agreeing. If they suddenly start agreeing after being at each other's throats all game, then something might have happened behind the scenes. It also is weird when people agree with someone else based on NO evidence - like what happened in this game, and back a few bigs back where all the JL jumped on someone with no evidence and "agreed" with each other that said person was a good target.

Besides, it's always nice to have someone agree with you, other people pay attention more to the vote when someone says "hey good idea" than if you just post something and no one really comments.

Your analytical skill is what got you scanned. Either you were a goodie, in which case you were valuable to the JL, or you were a baddie, and I needed you dead ASAP. I'd apply the same thinking to some other players, but Randy for example was too high profile so I figured he was likely to be lynched, and I'd rather not lose a scanee where possible. Of course after Night 1 at most it's not a good plan to try to scan a Dream Team JL, but instead set to work on people you can't read or are unlikely targets for the lynch.

As far as agreeing indicating allegiances, I think if anything it's a negative indicator. Mostly people will avoid associating with one another if they really are in a JL or pack together, to avoid blowing their cover. Of course, people who really aren't associated will be doing the same as well, so it's not a lead, but I'm just saying. King's point about people agreeing on no evidence is good. My move onto Snoopdogg felt transparent but by that point it was late enough in the game not to matter much.
 
My move onto Snoopdogg felt transparent but by that point it was late enough in the game not to matter much.

That was very true.

The thing is, I had a case against you the day before, yet suddenly I found you joining the cadre of JL people jumping on Snoopdogg. That was odd, to say the least :p
So at that stage I figured something was going on there, but the real question was, what? So I went after any information I could find on you in an attempt to gether wolf-or-not evidence, coming to no real hard conclusions. Mostly because I hadn't approached it from the "what if you are the Seer" side at all .. ;-)