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Bold-size7-color-red your hunt orders. I'm not excusing the GM's ghastly mistake, but it's much more difficult for him to miss it if he's bombarded with imagery.
And again I was right about King
I'm going to specifically vote you next game when I'm a villager, and you'll spend the entire game claiming I'm a wolf and be wrong.
It'll be funny.
Hm? Over already? I've been too busy playing HoI today to pay much attention
I suspected one of Kingepyon and Vainglory was a wolf. Vainglory was my pick if one was, until Kingepyon shot down the tie. I should have gone him once reis put it down to Kingepyon and Miotas, but by that stage I wasn't really paying attention, and I got too hooked up on the strange hunts. I should have known from Baldur's Gate that odd hunts aren't always the fault of the wolves.
I suspected one of Kingepyon and Vainglory was a wolf. Vainglory was my pick if one was, until Kingepyon shot down the tie. I should have gone him once reis put it down to Kingepyon and Miotas, but by that stage I wasn't really paying attention, and I got too hooked up on the strange hunts. I should have known from Baldur's Gate that odd hunts aren't always the fault of the wolves.
Hm? Over already? I've been too busy playing HoI today to pay much attention
I suspected one of Kingepyon and Vainglory was a wolf. Vainglory was my pick if one was, until Kingepyon shot down the tie. I should have gone him once reis put it down to Kingepyon and Miotas, but by that stage I wasn't really paying attention, and I got too hooked up on the strange hunts. I should have known from Baldur's Gate that odd hunts aren't always the fault of the wolves.
I'll always shoot down ties, no matter what I am. I realized back in asylum that if I support ties as a villager and then be against them as a wolf, it'll be obvious. So I'll shoot them down no matter what now, as I have to wear the same disguise no matter what role I am.
I agree that I was extremely stupid this game, I am sorry my pack.
Did reis scan me on Day 1?
Did reis scan me on Day 1?
That's not the point. I KNEW tamius was the hunt target, I wrote up the ENTIRE UPDATE on that fact.
@ Suirantes; yes, he had every member of the pack pinged save King, and he was going to discover him tonight no matter what.
Good job reis.
@The GM: Yeah, I noticed your post after the update saying you had the RP for the wrong player. It was about all you could do to cover up once once you'd revealed marty's role instead of tamius.
@The GM: Yeah, I noticed your post after the update saying you had the RP for the wrong player. It was about all you could do to cover up once once you'd revealed marty's role instead of tamius.
Just saying that it wasn't that I missed the hunt order. I seriously do not know how the hell I got marty, and its an inexcusable mistake.
I considered just editing the update to say tamius instead of marty and then, if anyone asked, say that I had written the wrong name but correct role. I thought it was too risky.
Don't be too harsh on the rookie. To be honest, outing your own packmate is a situationally valid tactic when you suspect you have been compromised. He was unlucky that I had already used the trick myself before, and thus had Yakman scanned. I would be a bit more critic of how he handled the voting and his behavior, but that's something we learn with experience. If I want, I can go look for your earlier games and spot out noob mistakes.
Now, these rules do not work as they currently are. Yakman pointed it out, and I subscribe, that rules must not be ambiguous. I fought back the temptation to find loopholes in the rules and play this game normally, as if there was no Seer and my behavior analysis was on steroids. I even considered refusing to send in scan orders, but thought that it might be unfair for the other villagers. In the end, I had to clarify in not-so subtle terms that I was the Seer, because Vainglory didn't understand. So, you either ban Seer PM (and, for coherence, all villager's) communication, and allow it unrestricted in the topic, or you leave it alone. I favor the second choice.
Everyone winning with their side is not acceptable. Villagers can game it pretty hard by deciding to use sacrifice gambits to take down the wolves, which makes for poor games. You saw that I was ready to sacrifice myself to force King into that tie. Granted, I would do the same in a normal game in a similar situation, but King would have some legitimacy to refuse, and here he just couldn't (although I give him A for the effort in trying to wriggle out of it).
Hm? Over already? I've been too busy playing HoI today to pay much attention
You play MP, or have fun just abusing the AI?
Depends, but in the case where they're already suspicious, it would have been easier to not out him, and just leave it alone.
And if you want to, sure. I've been making silly mistakes since my first game. Some on purpose, some aren't. I try to make mistakes every so often now, it gives me an excuse when I analyse something really off as a wolf, I can just say "well look back at game x, I made a mistake there as well, and I was a villager"
I agree as well. Kiwi asking for the seer to post large letters in my opinion was a pretty blatant breach of the rules, as I read the rules as "the seer knows, but can only direct the village through analysis". I understood this as no silly hints/no asking for hints, just analysis. I guess the villages reliance on the seer never really goes away.
Definitely agree here. People were throwing around the idea of a tie constantly about everything. It took away from the main goal of the game - to analyse the situation. If you can't tell, I really like analysis. I want to play more with sbr to learn how he does things. Marty and AOK as well. I have a pretty good grasp on the current analysis style, but there's always room to improve.
Lastly, let me explain why I criticized wolf's play, especially with regards to hunts.
You say your strategy was to go for the obvious wolves, which would get scanned. Poor choice, because you're removing lynch targets and increasing the odds that one of you is lynched. Remember, the Seer cannot, without violating the spirit of the rules, build a JL by PM's, so he's going to have it harder than usual to out wolves. What you should do, instead, is hunt the most cleared persons, like Kiwi, myself (after lynching Yak), Vainglory, etc, and let the village lynch more suspicious guys like Seen, etc. Furthermore, with these rules, you didn't even know you were wasting seer scans, or if the seer was already dead.
You say your strategy was to go for the obvious wolves, which would get scanned. Poor choice, because you're removing lynch targets and increasing the odds that one of you is lynched. Remember, the Seer cannot, without violating the spirit of the rules, build a JL by PM's, so he's going to have it harder than usual to out wolves. What you should do, instead, is hunt the most cleared persons, like Kiwi, myself (after lynching Yak), Vainglory, etc, and let the village lynch more suspicious guys like Seen, etc. Furthermore, with these rules, you didn't even know you were wasting seer scans, or if the seer was already dead.
Doesn't compare to the sensation of playing EU III, being close to Westernize, having a good enough ruler, and then get "Your ruler is dead, you are now ruled by 2/2/2 leader for the next 200 years.". In fact, there was an awesome thread about the ways EUIII craps all over you.
You don't need to tell me how to hunt. Really.
Hunting how I "should" and the way I did screwed with the minds of people. It helped. I had people confused about how experienced the wolves were. As I said before, that marty hunt really screwed me over. We were going to hunt you the next day, but I decided I would still give the whole "newbie wolf" image, and decided to hunt taii instead. I also assumed that Yakman would be easily caught, and I knew people were all over him. If I would've started hunting cleared people right away people would have figured it out that there was a good player in the bunch. I wanted to keep them confused as long as possible.
And honestly, the plan was a pretty big success. Especially at the end when many people were "cleared".