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I mean, it's entirely true: had you TIEd Claude and Beartjah instead, you would have lived.
As mentioned, it has sometimes been tried to pretend to be a seer in a lite, and it generally goes poorly. Wagon mentioned during the game his dubious attempt to pretend to be one of two seers with a 50% chance of having a successful scan each. Which maybe, very tenuous maybe, could have worked in a lite with an experimental set-up (and a couple times afterward where there were in fact two 50% seers), but in that game the rules were completely vanilla and no indication otherwise, so Wagonlitz got outed for it. The principle way in which false seer claims have been made has been in private to a singular "canned" villager, typically with the intention of then feeding them a name to out and then hunting them, denying the village a day of voting and potentially making the actual JL more public. This has very rarely worked out well, and one game I almost got in hot water for trying it since my pack hunted the seer night 1 and I'd false claimed seer to a villager day 1. He should've outed me day 2, but he mixed up when deadline was and so didn't.
What separates other instances where wolves have pretended to be seers from this one lies partially in that they did so in private and so did not come across as suicidally stupid to even the villagers believing them, but also they didn't out their packmates. It's such an insanely stupid and imbecilic idea to out your own packmates. Every dead wolf makes it harder for the wolves to win as it pushes back parity. What credibility you may buy is always going to be in jeopardy from the actual seer, and the longer the game goes on, the more likely your house of cards comes down. You have a situation where you are entirely sacrificing one member of your side for the very slim possibility another member of your side will avoid hanging for it. It's very unlikely to work, far more likely to backfire, and it's all so unnecessary compared to just playing the game normally.
And that's not even getting into the possibility that the person you're outing actually deciding they won't go quietly and spilling the beans on it. As happened here. Even if there was no initial belief in my claim of being betrayed, the possibility of Jam being a fraud had been explicitly put out there and likely factored into Jam rapidly accumulating votes day 2 after the seer was hunted. Aside from that, I had been planning to put the hunt on Jam himself for night 1, and the only reason I didn't was because it was instead put on a likely seer candidate, which I figured would help Arkasas and MAW (who were faultless in the whole affair and shouldn't be punished), as well as expose Jam for a fraud anyways. Had I known that he would go on to out MAW anyways, I'd have put the hunt on Jam regardless and done the pack a favor.
What separates other instances where wolves have pretended to be seers from this one lies partially in that they did so in private and so did not come across as suicidally stupid to even the villagers believing them, but also they didn't out their packmates. It's such an insanely stupid and imbecilic idea to out your own packmates. Every dead wolf makes it harder for the wolves to win as it pushes back parity. What credibility you may buy is always going to be in jeopardy from the actual seer, and the longer the game goes on, the more likely your house of cards comes down. You have a situation where you are entirely sacrificing one member of your side for the very slim possibility another member of your side will avoid hanging for it. It's very unlikely to work, far more likely to backfire, and it's all so unnecessary compared to just playing the game normally.
And that's not even getting into the possibility that the person you're outing actually deciding they won't go quietly and spilling the beans on it. As happened here. Even if there was no initial belief in my claim of being betrayed, the possibility of Jam being a fraud had been explicitly put out there and likely factored into Jam rapidly accumulating votes day 2 after the seer was hunted. Aside from that, I had been planning to put the hunt on Jam himself for night 1, and the only reason I didn't was because it was instead put on a likely seer candidate, which I figured would help Arkasas and MAW (who were faultless in the whole affair and shouldn't be punished), as well as expose Jam for a fraud anyways. Had I known that he would go on to out MAW anyways, I'd have put the hunt on Jam regardless and done the pack a favor.
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I think the main reason we won was the seer hunt mixed with jam claiming seer and outing his pack mates.
That wasn’t the greatest plan.
That wasn’t the greatest plan.
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I was happy to endorse aedan and contradict jam at any cost.
Aedan not standing for no bullshit was the best part of this one for me. One can't help but admire refusing to play along with it all as a matter of principle.
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Good news the village won!
Bad news you died also!
Im really sorry village I got super busy today, I would definitvely tried to snipe myselft out, I dont know why the suspicion on me, but the good thing is that the village won.
I feel like I could have sniped my way out, have done it before, but oh well, work and life gets in the way.
I feel that the hunt hitting Cliges didnt help at all, maybe it could have survived a couple of days more until Cliges came forward with the actual JL and scans. But working to win, I dont think it could have worked.
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@EUROO7 as always thanks for GMing, sorry for missing the last day and vote, that could have helped me win the game but fun game nontheless! Thanks!
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It was a 0 IQ play to out MAW on day 2. Jam was doomed once Cliges flipped seer and no outing he made would be remotely credible. Any outing Jam made would also carry the question in mind of any villager "He was stupid enough to out one packmate, what are the chances he did it again?" Which proved to be the case. It wasn't a death sentence for MAW, he could say that Jam was setting him up, but it was an uphill battle to not get lynched, and the village would always have the chance to come back. And it gained the baddie side absolutely nothing for Jam to pull it. MAW was not remotely suspected from the activity prior to Jam outing him, which meant that sans outing there was relatively little chance of him coming under dire threat from the villagers. Jam's outing shifted the focus on day 3 from "What do we have to work with" to "Did the idiot actually out another packmate of his?" which was overwhelmingly likely to hurt the baddies.
As a PSA, if I ever get stuck with Jam as a packmate again, I'm hunting him night 0. And I strongly suggest anyone else do the same. It's less damaging to the pack for it to start one wolf down than have a turbo moron out half the pack and get himself killed, all in the first two days. And if anyone's wondering if they're missing part of what happened here, you aren't. He posted two things in the wolf chat, responding to me demanding an explanation for his outing with "Alibi outing. I'm trying to gain their trust." and setting the hunt on Cliges after MAW explained why he thought Cliges was the seer. He provided no value, only acting like a screeching imbecile, and at no point anyone expressing any acknowledgement that his entire play was wrongheaded from its inception, leaving me with zero confidence he won't try this stunt again.
I want to say I had mountains of evidence that Arkasas was a wolf and didn’t share them to keep a target off of my back.
I WANT to say that. But it would be lying.
I WANT to say that. But it would be lying.
This is one of the rarest and most fabled WW achievements, actually
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To bad I didn’t achieve it then.
That would have been an impressive first game.
I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm on Cliges's part.
Cliges! For your sarcasm, you are now required to GM next.
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Ah.
I have difficulty with sarcasm in textual formatz.
EDIT: Yes, cliges should GM next game.
As someone who fully appreciates how annoying players going AWOL is, apologies for totally missing the start of this game
Well, it could have been worse. At least you didn't out your own packmates without their consent.