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I've never said once you made too many posts.

It was either you or one of your family - Rysz(?) who took me to task because I made too many long posts or some utter crap.

The one time I used that argument - the argument that you "were just rehashing what someone else said before" - you really were a wolf. And you really were just repeating what other people had said earlier without actually *saying* anything.

One of the times you said it maybe, but pretty often you do and it's a crock. If there's nothing new to say what the **** am I meant to do? Say nothing or what? Surely agreeing with something is not a lynchable offence?
Point is, there is (as far as I know) no correlation between what I post and my role. I can be a quiet villager, or a mouthy wolf - it depends on the game.

WW obviously is a game where you trust nobody, that's a given, but there are some players (and this is not aimed at anyone in particular) who default to suspecting the "better" players while ignoring more obvious wolves. TT, EURO, AOK and me being the prime ones who get hanged for pretty lame reasons. For me, OK I've now got 50(?) wins, but that is over 4 years almost to the week, as an average that ain't great.
 
It was either you or one of your family - Rysz(?) who took me to task because I made too many long posts or some utter crap.

It wasn't me. (tm).


One of the times you said it maybe, but pretty often you do and it's a crock.

I don't think I've used that argument in more than in one single game against you. To be fair in that game I did use it more than once, but that's also because at some point I knew you were a wolf and didn't want to go right out and call it for what it was ;-)


If there's nothing new to say what the **** am I meant to do? Say nothing or what? Surely agreeing with something is not a lynchable offence?

Agreeing with somebody isn't a lynchable offense, using that agreement to put bandwagon votes on villagers however is :)
Or agreeing with somebody *constantly*. It's like every other way to analyse behaviour - how, when, and why matters.


Point is, there is (as far as I know) no correlation between what I post and my role. I can be a quiet villager, or a mouthy wolf - it depends on the game.

I know that. You're barking up the wrong tree here. Really.

I've used that argument against Thistle a few games back though - but that's mostly because somebody (well, the_hdk) at the OT meet mentioned thistle as a prime example of somebody who posts walls of text when he's a wolf. And when I pointed that out he really was a wolf.
If anything my failure in that case was to act on it accordingly..


WW obviously is a game where you trust nobody, that's a given, but there are some players (and this is not aimed at anyone in particular) who default to suspecting the "better" players while ignoring more obvious wolves. TT, EURO, AOK and me being the prime ones who get hanged for pretty lame reasons. For me, OK I've now got 50(?) wins, but that is over 4 years almost to the week, as an average that ain't great.

Maybe it's just me but it appears to me that the people you name are not likely to be the first to hang. The first people to get lynched are usually the quiet or the 'lesser' players. Yakman, Walrus, LS, OY .. you know who they are.

What is important here is to keep in mind that someone being a good player is not necessarily a reason to suspect them per se. However, it is a reason to krank up the paranoia level a bit with regards to them. Simply because a good player wolf can do a fair bit more damage than a bad player might. However, on the other hand, if they are villagers .. not listening to them can harm you.

So what I'm saying is that looking at what these people say and do is not such a strange thing. Ascertaining that they are on your side (or not) may be the most important thing you can do. Unfortunately a side effect of the paranoia that comes with this is that wolves can use it against you..


Anyway: New game?
Should I?
 
It wasn't me. (tm).

That damn song is back in my head now. :(


I don't think I've used that argument in more than in one single game against you. To be fair in that game I did use it more than once, but that's also because at some point I knew you were a wolf and didn't want to go right out and call it for what it was ;-)

Well let's say it *has* been used against me more than once.


Or agreeing with somebody *constantly*. It's like every other way to analyse behaviour - how, when, and why matters.

Perhaps, but then part of analysis is also building a profile of how players act - what is a baddie tell for one player is not for another.


I know that. You're barking up the wrong tree here. Really.

That wasn't specifically aimed at you.

Maybe it's just me but it appears to me that the people you name are not likely to be the first to hang. The first people to get lynched are usually the quiet or the 'lesser' players. Yakman, Walrus, LS, OY .. you know who they are.

I didn't say they were the first, they aren't, but when the village loses track it's usually those players who get lynched.

What is important here is to keep in mind that someone being a good player is not necessarily a reason to suspect them per se.

It's not a good reason at all, I agree.


However, it is a reason to krank up the paranoia level a bit with regards to them Simply because a good player wolf can do a fair bit more damage than a bad player might. However, on the other hand, if they are villagers .. not listening to them can harm you.

Here we agree again (perhaps someone ought to lynch me?) good players need to be watched. However, the trouble comes when less thinking players don't think, and lynch someone because they're good and not dead yet.

So what I'm saying is that looking at what these people say and do is not such a strange thing. Ascertaining that they are on your side (or not) may be the most important thing you can do. Unfortunately a side effect of the paranoia that comes with this is that wolves can use it against you..

True, it is a fundamental part of analysis. The trouble comes when people don't join analysis of what a player is doing this game to what they usually do. Not accusing you of doing it, but there are quite a few players who do. The other problem is when paranoia becomes stupidity.

Another thing is that some players (naming no names) who *always* suspect the same players. Despite them being proved wrong on several occasions, they still pick the same things out as suspicious. TT did it to me a few years back for instance, and AFAIK it was only threats of not very subtle metagaming that comvinced him to stop.

Anyway: New game?
Should I?

Yes.
 
Yes please. I don't wanna risk being a wolf again in a game you're not.

Ok. Give me some time to work up a nice signup post for it :)
(oh, and for the record: I use random.org to hand out roles. Don't go lynching Kaetje the first day just because of this exchange.. ;-) )
 
Don't go lynching Kaetje the first day just because of this exchange.. ;-)

Can we lynch Kaetje first day for other reasons? :p

Last rule: No hunting the GM's GF *nods*
 
are you going to host 2 games?

BSG takes months to resolve on this forum, so .. basically, yes.
It is delaying my setup post a bit though ;-)
 
Can we lynch Kaetje first day for other reasons? :p

Last rule: No hunting the GM's GF *nods*

*lol*

No, you can lynch or hunt her just fine. Just don't make it look like it's my fault, ok? :D

are you going to host 2 games?

BSG takes months to resolve on this forum, so .. basically, yes.
It is delaying my setup post a bit though ;-)
 
Another thing is that some players (naming no names) who *always* suspect the same players. Despite them being proved wrong on several occasions, they still pick the same things out as suspicious. TT did it to me a few years back for instance, and AFAIK it was only threats of not very subtle metagaming that comvinced him to stop.

The only thing that convinced me to stop was that every time I got you lynched, you were a villager, and so was I.
 

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i've never played Battlestar :)
so I can sign up if you really need players but I'd rather watch a game before I play it :p


Hmn. There's 3 earlier threads to read. It's a complicated game though, I give you that.

Right now the BSG game has 3 players signed up. That is the minimum. The maximum is 7.

I wouldn't want you to sign up just because the game lacks players though - i'd much rather have less people who enjoy the game and who are active rather than a bigger group where some players just drop off the grid for days ..
 

Hmn. There's 3 earlier threads to read. It's a complicated game though, I give you that.

Right now the BSG game has 3 players signed up. That is the minimum. The maximum is 7.

I wouldn't want you to sign up just because the game lacks players though - i'd much rather have less people who enjoy the game and who are active rather than a bigger group where some players just drop off the grid for days ..

well I wont be able to be active all the time :) too bad
 
well I wont be able to be active all the time :) too bad


"all the time" is not what I'm asking for, really. A few days gone here or there, if announced, are fine.

The last BSG game had quite a bit more delay than that, though.