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Even if Marty was a baddie apprentice, it is perfectly legitimate for him to out his master.
This game is not supposed to be played as a team. Everyone tries to maximize their own chances of winning. Marty thought that by outing his master, he could gain some credibility, while also gaining his role. That's definitely legitimate, and in some circumstances it might not be a bad move.
 
Even if Marty was a baddie apprentice, it is perfectly legitimate for him to out his master.
This game is not supposed to be played as a team. Everyone tries to maximize their own chances of winning. Marty thought that by outing his master, he could gain some credibility, while also gaining his role. That's definitely legitimate, and in some circumstances it might not be a bad move.

But that's evil.
 
Is the new game going to have the same number as this one, seeing as how this one was a flop?

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Even if Marty was a baddie apprentice, it is perfectly legitimate for him to out his master.
This game is not supposed to be played as a team. Everyone tries to maximize their own chances of winning. Marty thought that by outing his master, he could gain some credibility, while also gaining his role. That's definitely legitimate, and in some circumstances it might not be a bad move.

Like I said, there is room to nitpick. However, this doesn't seem like one of those situations in where it would benefit him.
 
There is no room to nitpick. This game is played by individuals and won by individuals. Marty was well within his rights to sell out anyone. Whether it benefited him or not, I can't say. Even if it didn't, that doesn't mean he wasn't allowed to out his master.
 
Even if Marty was a baddie apprentice, it is perfectly legitimate for him to out his master.
This game is not supposed to be played as a team. Everyone tries to maximize their own chances of winning. Marty thought that by outing his master, he could gain some credibility, while also gaining his role. That's definitely legitimate, and in some circumstances it might not be a bad move.

Sorcerers and their apprentices seem particularly prone to outing one another. Maybe their identities should be concealed from one another to some extent.
 
Sorcerers and their apprentices seem particularly prone to outing one another. Maybe their identities should be concealed from one another to some extent.
I think it is simply silly if already claimed apprentices can be claimed by someone else.
 
I think it is simply silly if already claimed apprentices can be claimed by someone else.

It wouldn't be so silly if they didn't know who their master was, but it is pretty silly if there are several of them in the game. If there is only one apprentice in the game, it is reasonable for them to be stealable.
 
Any particular requests on roles/traits for the next game before I post it?
 
The way I see it marty99 had no real choice.

  1. He was claimed by Kriszo and then by the_hdk. He could refuse to out the_hdk and instead out Kriszo, but Kriszo would then out marty99 and the_hdk.
  2. He was claimed firest by the_hdk and then by Kriszo. Since he is now a goodie he should out the_hdk.
  3. He was claimed by the_hdk and then scanned by Kriszo, but not claimed. Since Kriszo believes him to be his apprentice he is in a unique position to infiltrate the JL. Also if he doesn't out the_hdk, both will be outed by Kriszo.
  4. He was claimed by Kriszo and then scanned by the_hdk, but not claimed. Since he is a goodie he should out the_hdk.

Conclusion: marty99 did nothing wrong, but to the_hdk it does look like he was sold out.
 
marty was definitely claimed by me, Jens sent me the PM
 
Even if Marty was a baddie apprentice, it is perfectly legitimate for him to out his master.
This game is not supposed to be played as a team. Everyone tries to maximize their own chances of winning. Marty thought that by outing his master, he could gain some credibility, while also gaining his role. That's definitely legitimate, and in some circumstances it might not be a bad move.

I agree. Depending on how the GM handled the apprentice scan and how trusting the Priest was marty could have been inside the JL and blown it up as soon as he found a wolf pack to work with.
 
No stealable apprentices
Hmm... But I like stealable apprentices. :/

How about this: Starting chances to steal apprentices are very low, as are the chances of the master to discover that someone is trying to steal his apprentice. Then if the stealer fails and wants to try again, he can, but the chances of him being discovered will increase?
 
Hmm... But I like stealable apprentices. :/

How about this: Starting chances to steal apprentices are very low, as are the chances of the master to discover that someone is trying to steal his apprentice. Then if the stealer fails and wants to try again, he can, but the chances of him being discovered will increase?
Maybe...
But I don't want to be a scanner or an apprentice then :D