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New to the game, but i am pretty decent at EU3 (i consider pulling of a byzantine game decent).

So i hadn't the slightest idea about the game's mechanics, i figure i start as England. I'm pretty clear on how to manage the, not always intuitive, interface. I've got a pretty good idea on how to manage wars, create titles,etc.

But the thing that always happens is, i don't know how to keep my vassals under control. There are always a few that figure they'll rebel. So how do i keep them in check?

Also, are there ways to eliminate or create vassals?

P.S.
This is in the Deus Vult expansion
 
England is not the best starting nation in CK in 1066. Since your starting ruler starts with realm duress and rebellious vassals who are also his rivals IIRC.

It is better to start as another nation (like Poland, Denmark, Norway, Bohemia or Apulia) to learn the game.

To keep your vassals happy and loyal you must pay close attention to your reputation. If you do to many bad things (claiming titles, taking titles in a war, assassinating people, revoking titles) your reputation will get worse and the more disloyal your vassals get.

You can eleminate vassals by either revoking their titles, which is a diplomatic option, which will be selectable once you have selected a vassal. Revoking titles will greatly upset your vassals so it is something you mustn't do to often and to quick after another.

When a vassal declares war on you, you get claims on all his titles. So once you have defeated him (conquered his demesne) you can grab all his titles. Doing this though will be bad for your reputation, so don't do this to often and to quick after each other. It is better to force-vassalize them again (another option on the peace-screen).

To create vassals, you must first select your ruler then you see an option to grant a title. Click on that and a list of your courtiers appears to who you can grant a title. You can also grant a title to an already existing vassal.

To grant someone a duke-title you must first give him a county.

For beginners this thread contains a lot of usefull links

Links to important threads, mods and general game information
 
Thanks for the tips, cleared up a few points there.
I'll make sure to read those links too.
 
There's no foolproof way to keep your vassals from rebelling. In fact, it can be to your benefit to have them try, then beat them. What you can do is keep their loyalty high, and make sure that you're able to put down any rebellions that do occur.

Short answer: have high prestige and a good reputation, give land to your children, bribe, lower scutage, pass feudal contract and elective law. Long answer:

There are a lot of little tricks to this, but I'll focus on a few points that aren't intuitive. One is that, when you mouseover the loyalty score on a character sheet, you'll get an explanation of how it changes each month and why. You should make a habit of checking this until you have a good idea of what affects loyalty.

You should also try to give land to people who will stay loyal to you, such as your friends and male-line relatives. Within the game, your wife, your daughter's children, and even your mother, do not count as part of your family. It's especially important to give your heir titles, since that will mean he starts his rule with high prestige. As all vassals start out less loyal to a new king, he'll need it. It can also help your reputation, prestige and efficiency to give land to people whom you or your son will inherit. Be aware that your daughters will not usually marry without your blessing, and the "Daughter is unmarried" penalty to prestige really means, "Daughter is unmarried and living at home," so giving your unmarried daughter land is a good way to provide for her, get a loyal vassal and keep the land in the family. If you want to marry her off instead, and get the "marriage of eldest daughter duty," marrying her to a vassal both gives her a wealthy, titled husband and raises your son-in-law's loyalty.

Handling peace terms properly is crucial to pulling out of a death spiral, and the way the game treats them surprised me, but actually is very simple. The prestige you gain equals your war score minus your peace score. The result of this is that, when a vassal rebels, you don't want to make an example of him. What will really impress everyone is if you conquer his entire demesne, then recognize all of his titles and let him keep all of his claims on yours. The reason for this is that a revolter almost always claims your primary title. The game thinks that a claim on a king title is worth a lot of peace score, so that a king won't easily give it up to a pretender, but what this also means is that it's worth a lot of peace score to make a defeated pretender renounce his claim. Because each point of peace score you don't use goes directly to your prestige, letting him keep his claim gets you thousands, or even hundreds of thousands, of prestige points. Little details such as whether he becomes your vassal or keeps his land and money are trivial in comparison. This can easily make the difference between losing prestige from winning a war, and becoming the most respected sovereign in the world.

Your reputation will worsen if you take and keep a duke title, but you can take one and give it to a more loyal count without a problem. You'll also damage your reputation by taking count titles, and giving them to other people will only mitigate the effect. You can most quickly repair a bad reputation by giving away your land; if your father created heirless duchesses who'll leave your land to you, or an archbishop who becomes pope, your family can even give away the same land over and over. Piety has a second-order effect here: it improves reputation, which improves vassal loyalty.

Feudal contract law will make your vassals happier, and royal prerogatory law will upset them (even after they've accepted it). Elective law will make them happy, too, for a different reason: your vassals will become your heirs. You also have more flexibility to manipulate the succession so that the most talented member of your dynasty inherits. One disadvantage is that you'll have to work a lot harder to manage the succession, and another is that your heirless duchesses will no longer pass on their lands to the king, but to the formerly-ruling branch of the family.

One last piece of advice: always keep a larger, richer demesne than any of your vassals, and call up your vassals' vassals' armies if you need more troops; lowering their loyalty won't hurt you. As this isn't a tactical wargame, the larger army should win.
 
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