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Background: I'm playing the Duchy of Brandenburg. My original duke died, and the duchy passed to his son. That was OK for a while, but he was excommunicated for no apparent reason (I was at peace and hadn't offended anybody as far as I know). This went on for some time. There were no obviously bad immediate consequences, but everybody's loyalty to my duke deteriorated over time. Even his own close relations became severely disloyal.

Finally I got an event that would lift the excommunication -- for a high price. This actually sounded pretty realistic for the times. I could pay a modest sum for a 30% chance, or a very large amount for a certain lifting of the excommunication. I was desperate enough that I agreed to the high amount, even though it put me into debt by nearly 500 ducats.

Apparently you just run at a negative balance, rather than taking a loan. Cash flow was positive, so I was gradually improving, though it would take several years to get out of debt.

However, at one point I got a message that, due to continued debt, my home province's hill fort fell into disrepair due to lack of maintenance.

Was that just bad luck, unfortunate timing? Or is this just a sample of the bad things that can happen if you stay in debt for a long time?

My treasury balance did eventually come into the black so the loss of the fort was the only clear consequence of my debt.
 
you're realm stability might also drop, and you might get events to raise some extra taxes (again at the cost of realm stability or prestige/piety)
 
There are some rare loan events, too (which might get you excommunicated again :(), but the AI doesn't have the same challenge, so it is kind of annoying to keep a good balance sheet. I would go after your pagan neighbors along the Baltic if they still exist in your game, to expand your tax base. If other Germans, Scandinavians, or Poles haven't already taken Prussia, Mecklenburg, and Pommerania, you might want to move in that direction.
 
The only thing that happens is random events that remove a province building in exchange for a small amount of cash.

How common or rare are these events? And how much debt is necessary to trigger them? For example, suppose you need to go negative for a few months to conclude a major war -- worth the economic risk or not?

As for the Baltic pagans, I got Mecklenburg province but the others up as far as Riga (Marienburg) are gone. Really, cash flow is generally pretty good but I can get into trouble when the German Queen goes to war. Even if I don't give her my army (which I usually refuse to do) the liege duty tends to be pretty high.
 
If that war gets a you a new title then it is worth it.

Having just gold doesn't bring you anything, having more titles/counties, brings in more monthly gold and more troops.


Once you are in debt you also get 'the estates general' events which give you plenty of gold to be out of debt in a couple of years.
 
The only thing that happens is random events that remove a province building in exchange for a small amount of cash.

Annoying but not the end of the world.
It's usually 2/3 or 3/4 of the cash required to build them.

I'm not sure if this is only in DVIP but there's also occasionally events that cause you to lose stability due to being in extreme debt though (like over 1k or possibly it might be based on number of year's income... for me this was when I was getting 20 income per month)