What forgotten regions could be in the next update?

[st360]

I'm happy Japan, Ottomans, China etc are getting an update. I get that they are popular nations and also internet likes anime.

But did they really need to have their 30 missions trees refreshed when entire regions have almost 0 missions except the generic ones?

South America hasn't been updated in half a decade. Siberian tribes haven't been updated in almost a decade. I get that the Ottomans and anime are popular nations to play, but they where already mostly updated to modern EU 4 standards. Japan has more provinces than some continents had on EU 4 launch.

I would like to see a update to South America or Siberia next, especially the small tribes around the edges of the world that have almost nothing. Heck, I would even like some provinces in Germany and Japan to be merged back into bigger ones, and the excess "province capacity" of the game engine to be used to split South America and Siberia into a bit smaller provinces. Though I'm pretty sure that wont happen.

 

[Me_]

I know of a forgotten religion that could use an update - please add stuff for Animist. Any stuff.

 

[Masyanya028]

At this point, entire world (except Scandinavia, Pol/Lithuania, maybe also India) need a refresh at least/
It's just hilarious to see, that Milan have 5 "internal" missions for developing provinces etc. meanwhile, Japan will have from 2-3 missions for each incident with many bonuses, depending on outcome of Shinto incident. I don't want even mention Serbia mission tree, for example (to start one of the branches, you need 40% crown lands, which effectively blocking half of the content for a long time)
Also, many many things matters too. I really like, that LPC is now a thing, and it would be great to implement such thing also for Portugal's (or maybe also Aragon's) Spain,
Flemish(or Frisian?) Netherlands or give opportunity to rename yourself to "Kingdom of Lombardy" as Milan, when you do the mission.

 

[iClipse]

They're currently revisiting several parts of the world. Next visit is Russia. I'm guessing both Mamluks and Persia are also coming, especially considering Big Boss seems to play a heavy part in those mission trees and he did mission trees with his mods for these nations in the past.

I'd suggest to wait until you see what's actually encompassed with the next update before saying, 'revisit X', since you don't know what's going to be visited next.

 

[Prince_Riku_Lyonheart]

I definitely see this as the dlc/update for the 'big' tags that needed updates and love. I agree that Persia and Mamluks will probably be on the list after Russia, and that pretty much covers the major tags outside Europe that feel underdeveloped. Maybe one final look at some central Asia (Uzbek, Chagatai, etc) stuff, or maybe something more for the Timurid successors (Pathway to Persia, Mughals, or return to Mongol roots, perhaps?)

Beyond all that, my biggest hopes are for South America, and if we aren't adding any more in-game faiths, then some actual functionality for Animist. Anything to make my Manipur game different from my Carib game? Or at least make me less likely to jus tswap faiths the second I get the chance. I doubt we see much more for Europe soon, if at all, but a final touch-up of the Balkans would be nice, and maybe some more love for Northern Italy.

 

[namewhichisnottakenyet]

With the way you worded the title of this thread, all I can think of is the Lesser Known Beaches of the World flavor pack.

 

[Lord Sheogorath]

Indian mission trees, government reforms and maybe estate privileges could use a revision. These haven't been touched since Dharma. Hindu religion also was last updated in Wealth of Nations. Some mission trees are awful by current standards. Like Vijayanagar (a major regional power) has a total of 1.5 prestige and 0.5 legitimacy as permanent modifier from missions, Mewar/Rajputana has just 1.5 prestige; while something like Dithmarschen has 5% administrative efficiency on top of other goodies.

 

[Workiwork]

if they ever have to much time (so never) a random whole world would be nice.

do we need that? absolutly not but still.

 

[iClipse]

Indian mission trees, government reforms and maybe estate privileges could use a revision. These haven't been touched since Dharma. Hindu religion also was last updated in Wealth of Nations. Some mission trees are awful by current standards. Like Vijayanagar (a major regional power) has a total of 1.5 prestige and 0.5 legitimacy as permanent modifier from missions, Mewar/Rajputana has just 1.5 prestige; while something like Dithmarschen has 5% administrative efficiency on top of other goodies.

The general idea there is that you'd want to form Bharat / Hindustan for the better goodies. A bit unfortunate imo that they didn't follow that design philosophy for the rest of the designed mission trees. Sardinia-Piedmond especially is quite the offender with 5% admin efficiency, integration cost as well as permanent goods produced.

I'd rather have they removed that AE from the mission tree and added it somewhere else (like how 5% AE was added to military hegemon, good change).

 

[Asad55]

India needs more AI forming Mughals.

 

[Lord Sheogorath]

The general idea there is that you'd want to form Bharat / Hindustan for the better goodies. A bit unfortunate imo that they didn't follow that design philosophy for the rest of the designed mission trees. Sardinia-Piedmond especially is quite the offender with 5% admin efficiency, integration cost as well as permanent goods produced.

I'd rather have they removed that AE from the mission tree and added it somewhere else (like how 5% AE was added to military hegemon, good change).

Even Bharat/Hindustan has lacklustre mission tree rewards. Bharat for example has +1% missionary strength, -10% stability cost and +1 tolerance of the true faith; all of which are meh at best. The -10% tech cost that is supposed to be the big reward is unlocked after you unlock grand shipyard, diplomatic tech 23, so its usefulness is limited and it doesn't come close to admin efficiency. And Prussia, Sardinia etc can form Germany to get another set of missions and more admin efficiency. Every end game tag should should get good permanent mission tree reward IMO.

Similarly to mission trees, government reforms for Indian nations are lacking. Playing as Mewar/Rajputana I can select a whooping 1 unique reform (which is so bad that it's better to swap it for autocracy). Vijayanagar has two unique reforms one is meh and the other is quite good. I do not think any Indian nation has more than two unique reforms barring Mughals and Deccan. Someone from the design team had some weird fascination with Deccan apparently.

All these unique reforms lack interactivity or don't change gameplay much (like Prussian monarchy), and are just bland passive bonuses. A would even settle for those tributton systems, like in the new Japan rework.

 

[necro84]

Indian mission trees, government reforms and maybe estate privileges could use a revision. These haven't been touched since Dharma. Hindu religion also was last updated in Wealth of Nations. Some mission trees are awful by current standards. Like Vijayanagar (a major regional power) has a total of 1.5 prestige and 0.5 legitimacy as permanent modifier from missions, Mewar/Rajputana has just 1.5 prestige; while something like Dithmarschen has 5% administrative efficiency on top of other goodies.

For Indians I would love uniting all cultures in region as Hindustan/Bharat the same way Sweden can accept all German cultures. There are 5 groups in India but only one in China, Germany, Levant or Malaya. This doesn't seem balanced

 

[iClipse]

Even Bharat/Hindustan has lacklustre mission tree rewards. Bharat for example has +1% missionary strength, -10% stability cost and +1 tolerance of the true faith; all of which are meh at best. The -10% tech cost that is supposed to be the big reward is unlocked after you unlock grand shipyard, diplomatic tech 23, so its usefulness is limited and it doesn't come close to admin efficiency. And Prussia, Sardinia etc can form Germany to get another set of missions and more admin efficiency. Every end game tag should should get good permanent mission tree reward IMO.

Similarly to mission trees, government reforms for Indian nations are lacking. Playing as Mewar/Rajputana I can select a whooping 1 unique reform (which is so bad that it's better to swap it for autocracy). Vijayanagar has two unique reforms one is meh and the other is quite good. I do not think any Indian nation has more than two unique reforms barring Mughals and Deccan. Someone from the design team had some weird fascination with Deccan apparently.

All these unique reforms lack interactivity or don't change gameplay much (like Prussian monarchy), and are just bland passive bonuses. A would even settle for those tributton systems, like in the new Japan rework.

Well, and a TON of permanent claims though, which is also quite useful (since it's -25% CCR on those provinces). With Dharma it was the first time they introduced somewhat decent mission trees. But in comparison to recent trees, it's somewhat dated.

 

[Jiben]

Persia, persia got 5 unique missions which is pretty underwhelming since there are opms with more extensive missions.

 

[Travis_Bickle]

I think the issue is that the new tags/regions to get mission tree updates have mission trees so good/interesting that all other tags get left behind.

Even tags that got updated in the Emperor DLC now have inferior mission trees to some of the newly updated tags.

I hope at a minimum that some of the major tags (England/GB and Russia come to mind) have a bit of a revamp before the game is at its final edition.

 

[Jihem]

I think the issue is that the new tags/regions to get mission tree updates have mission trees so good/interesting that all other tags get left behind.

Even tags that got updated in the Emperor DLC now have inferior mission trees to some of the newly updated tags.

I hope at a minimum that some of the major tags (England/GB and Russia come to mind) have a bit of a revamp before the game is at its final edition.

Yes, France for example, one of whose end-game missions is to rescue (and dominate) shrunken or even annihilated Poles, then challenge the Russians. Scenario now obsolete with Lions of the Norh.

 

[zhangjim]

Aldabil! The legendary Safavi has been ignored by many people.
Persia is currently the most neglected place.

 

[Sapa Inca]

- In the Americas the only places with true mission trees are EUA and Canada, the entire Latin America have almost 0 non-generic missions.

- The religious reform mechanic of Inti, Nahuatl and Mesoamerican religions is outdated since the implementation of Institutions instead Westernization and the matter was made wrose after the implementation of Government Reforms because these 3 religions cant access the menu of government reforms.

- South America outside the Andes is one of the emptiest places of the map, in terms of flavor and historicity it is probably the most outdated region of EU4.

- Animism is the last religion without mechanics.

- Hordes and Central Asia are outdated since mission trees became a thing, we should have more to differentiate the playstyle between the different Hordes, we should have more paths to choose beyond reform Mongol Empire, the culture groups in the region are weird and we should have more event chains/disasters about the historical fragmentation of a few Hordes. Astrakhan Khanate, Kazakh Khanate, Sibir Khanate, Koshut Khanate and Khiva almost never spawn or spawn in just 2-3 provinces are are conquered in a few years.

- Last update for Middle East was before mission trees, so, the entire region is lacking.

 

[BoomKidneyShot]

Aldabil! The legendary Safavi has been ignored by many people.
Persia is currently the most neglected place.

It's hard to beat South America in that regard. The continent only has a single mission, for Cuzco to conquer a neighbour.

 

[Ashvin]

Even Bharat/Hindustan has lacklustre mission tree rewards. Bharat for example has +1% missionary strength, -10% stability cost and +1 tolerance of the true faith; all of which are meh at best. The -10% tech cost that is supposed to be the big reward is unlocked after you unlock grand shipyard, diplomatic tech 23, so its usefulness is limited and it doesn't come close to admin efficiency. And Prussia, Sardinia etc can form Germany to get another set of missions and more admin efficiency. Every end game tag should should get good permanent mission tree reward IMO.

Similarly to mission trees, government reforms for Indian nations are lacking. Playing as Mewar/Rajputana I can select a whooping 1 unique reform (which is so bad that it's better to swap it for autocracy). Vijayanagar has two unique reforms one is meh and the other is quite good. I do not think any Indian nation has more than two unique reforms barring Mughals and Deccan. Someone from the design team had some weird fascination with Deccan apparently.

All these unique reforms lack interactivity or don't change gameplay much (like Prussian monarchy), and are just bland passive bonuses. A would even settle for those tributton systems, like in the new Japan rework.

Deccan fascination is a weird one with EU4 masters. Don't know what it represents - Nizams? And such military idea for lackeying HEIC?
Military wise after the fall of Mughals (from 1707 onwards) there were no power other than Maratha and British in India.

Charles Metcalfe, ... later acting Governor-General to India, wrote in 1806:

India contains no more than two great powers, British and Mahratta, and every other state acknowledges the influence of one or the other. Every inch that we recede will be occupied by them.