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What if there was a Spanish-America War of 1873

In 1873 a a diplomatic dispute that occurred from October 1873 to February 1875 between the United States, the United Kingdom, and Spain (then in control of Cuba), during the Ten Years' War. Virginius was a fast American ship hired by Cuban insurrectionists to land men and munitions in Cuba to attack the Spanish regime there. It was captured by the Spanish, who wanted to try the men onboard (many of whom were American and British citizens) as pirates and execute them. The Spanish executed 53 of the men but stopped when the British government demanded it.

Throughout the ordeal there was loose talk that the United States might declare war on Spain. During the lengthy negotiations the Spanish government had undergone several changes in leadership. US consul Caleb Cushing ended the episode by negotiating $80,000 in reparations to be paid to the families of the Americans who were executed. British families were compensated by the Spanish government through negotiation prior to American compensation. The incident was remarkable for the use of international diplomacy for a peaceful settlement implemented by US Secretary of State Hamilton Fish, rather than opting for a costly war between the United States and Spain. The Virginius Affair started a resurgence in the US Navy following the American Civil War; its fleet had been heretofore inferior to the superior warships of Spain.

But what if there was no peaceful settlement and war broke out between the United States and Spain in 1873.

Wikipedia article related to the Virginius Affair

United States Navy and Spanish Navy in 1873

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We were busy fighting the Third (or Second -depending on how you count it) Carlist war, the Cantonal War, and also the Cuban 10-year war. We wouldn't have the means to fight another war.
 
We were busy fighting the Third (or Second -depending on how you count it) Carlist war, the Cantonal War, and also the Cuban 10-year war. We wouldn't have the means to fight another war.
Wow, that is a lot of wars Spain is fighting in, but if the Spanish-american War did happen, would Spain be able to put up a fight, would america send in a squadron of ships to Mainland Spain ore just focus on invading Cuba, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines..
 
The US has its own issues at this time. Especially relevant is that the civil war is less than a decade ended, reconstruction is stil going on and crucially, the redemptionist coups that returned power to the former secessionists and destroyed the Republican Party in southern states have not been executed.

This could potentially be a large issue in forming a united front. In the 1890s the armed forces integrated southern and northern troops without many problems beyond joe wheeler's misappelation of the Spanish. The situation may be more complicated 25 years earlier.

It might not amount to anything. (Maybe everybody unites against a common foe) but The election of 1874 could be a really big deal.
 
Wow, that is a lot of wars Spain is fighting in, but if the Spanish-american War did happen, would Spain be able to put up a fight, would america send in a squadron of ships to Mainland Spain ore just focus on invading Cuba, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines..
Late 19th century Spain was a LOT of fun, specially when two of that wars were civil ones and after 1868.
In any case, the cantonal war/rebellion took over the Spanish navy base of Cartagena, so didn't have any chance to fight a war against the US across the ocean.

Probably the Philippines wouldn't have been severed as AFAIK the US didn't have a big naval power in the East Coast nor even Hawaii. But I doubt a British, German or Japanese fleet haven't reach Manila in order to "protect their citizens" or something.
 
Late 19th century Spain was a LOT of fun, specially when two of that wars were civil ones and after 1868.
In any case, the cantonal war/rebellion took over the Spanish navy base of Cartagena, so didn't have any chance to fight a war against the US across the ocean.

Probably the Philippines wouldn't have been severed as AFAIK the US didn't have a big naval power in the East Coast nor even Hawaii. But I doubt a British, German or Japanese fleet haven't reach Manila in order to "protect their citizens" or something.
The Japanse where only 20 years after Perry came to visit them, i doubt they would be able to get to Manila in 1873 and take the Spanish colony there.
 
Well, they launched the Formosa expedition in 1874*, but yeah, I think I mistake the dates of the first Sino-Japanese war.

* As the the Chinese government cannot stop them nor control the island they said they own, but Spanish forces in Manila were, if not big, at least used to fight against Moro pirates.
 
Well, they launched the Formosa expedition in 1874*, but yeah, I think I mistake the dates of the first Sino-Japanese war.

* As the the Chinese government cannot stop them nor control the island they said they own, but Spanish forces in Manila were, if not big, at least used to fight against Moro pirates.
Also i think the Spanish Pacific Squadron in 1873 is still a lot more powerful than the Entire Japanese Imperial Navy, ore so i think.