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Brasidas said:
Yankee, though I don't think anyone in the US today would say "I'm a Yankee" or "I'm a Dixie", or for that matter, define themselves often as Northern or Southern.
Just American.
As for these cultures, the Chinese cultures can be added into the save file but you need the proper names:
nanfangren = nanfaren
beifangren = beifaren
northern min = haizhou
The rest can be added as you read them.
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Kagernaut said:
Remember that the game is trying to model what people thought of themselves between 1836-1936. As to your argument, I think that you will find this to be most untrue.
Premise A: Dixie Dawn
http://wwwdixiedawn.blogspot.com/
Note the use of Southerner, Yankee, Northerner, etc in the quoted passages
mib said:The Qing restored (albeit differently) the caste system first imposed by the Mongols, which went something like Mongol > Beifangren > green-eyes > Nanfangren.
But with the Ricky, the fact that you cannot promote non-state pops, and the fact that the VAST MAJORITY of factories and factory workers were Nanfangren, makes non-state Nanfangren not a viable thing to do. So I just add Nanfangren to my state pops. Which slows research down a lot, but hey, 150 mil state pops can't beat 300 mil.
i am a chinese,,
i am quite shocked that guys here have heard of the caste system imposed by the mongol ^^*
in fact,,it is : mongol > green-eyes(including other non-chinese northern races and also europeans in china) > beifangren > nanfangren
the qing dynasty treat the beifangren indeed better,,
but in the other hand nanfangren first met the europeans so they were more civilized,,even by now,, Guangdong(north of HK,,my homeland!!!) contributes most of china's GDP
ahun said:
ahun since you know the history why don't you make your own? :rofl: :rofl: (the editing save game would sound very useful by now)
i already had. i manipulated china in every possible way.sagimine1 said:
state capitalism is a punishment for every player, with capitalists it is a tad easier but still, loads of people. If u add the other cultures it is going to take an hour to split them all.
ahun said:
There's a utility that will do that, you know. I'll go find it. Check this space soon.
http://www.paradoxian.org/vickywiki/vickywiki_images/2/2c/Gotikiller's_Popsplitter_3.00.zip
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Oberschütze Tex said:
Intersting, but I was referring more to when we introduce ourselves to peoples of other countries.
Like when we're here on the Paradox Forums.
wow. Nice discussion.
so you mean that green eyed people were next on the social totem after Mongols? reminds me of Hitlers ideas *self-censured*
so you mean that green eyed people were next on the social totem after Mongols? reminds me of Hitlers ideas *self-censured*
deltren said:
Not sure what you are finiding objectionable here - the Mongol Yuan dynasty did indeed restrict the role of Chinese peoples in the administration of the dynastic state in the thirteenth and early fourteenth centuries, making use whenever possible of outsiders from Central Asia or even Europe (hence Marco Polo's extended stay in China) rather than use native Chinese whenever possible, and within the peoples of China choosing to appoint Northerners (Beifanren) to positions over Southerners (Nanfanren), a practice continued by the Qing.
nothing really,
just the green eyed people seems vague unless its a term for a culture aka *whatever*
just the green eyed people seems vague unless its a term for a culture aka *whatever*
If you really want to employee the Nanfangren, you can just change your party one that allows Full Citizenship. When you do that you can promote all cultures to Craftsmen. I usually promote the non-national cultures to Craftsmen and pops of my national culture to Clerks.