What to do with... India?

[zeress]

Hey all,

Continuing the newly found tradition of the "What to do with..." series of questions I bring up the topic of India. Brought to us by Paradox in the aptly named "Rajas of India" DLC we have a sub-region of the world that we're honestly not sure if anyone, or at least the majority, of players wanted.

First off, I'll be candid with my own stance. No one on the team, both currently and in the past, has any real knowledge on the area nor do we have any motivation to build onto that area. Personally speaking I found it to be a rather strange addition to the game to say the very least. As such it's been almost entirely left to how it is in vanilla, minus the trade route that I myself added despite my reservations. It's something that has bothered me for quite some time as personally I find having a rather large area of the map add nothing of value to the game that also eats up a slice of resources. To an extent this was also true of West Africa, hence my own drive to improve that region of the world.

My question goes as follows; What should be done about India?

1. Maintain status quo, keeping in mind that in the most likely scenario vanilla's version of it is about all will ever have there
2. Cut India, but do it in such a way that allows the easy creation of a sub-mod to re-add it for those that do enjoy the area.
3. Suggest an Idea

If it were to be removed, we would also not be opposed to adding it back in far later should we actually find that people can both contribute content and give enough support to bring it back.

Perhaps those points is just me though and I welcome opinions on the subject, opposing or otherwise.

I have attached a strawpoll for people to participate in, so we can get an idea of what people think number wise. After all, if a large majority of people want to keep it then that's the end of the debate as keeping it as is, obviously, is rather easy.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10050038

 

[LordDamien]

I honestly Say that we remove India. I noticed with the HIP Mod ( which takes out India ) That the game runs smoother and better. For whatever reason India makes the game lag.. But when its removed the game does not lag as much ( I also notice with india in Ck2 + Battles have to be fought on speed 2 ) but with HIP and india is removed.. I can do battles on speed 3.

So i say remove it.. Just because it causes so much lag for the game in general for some reason or another.

 

[Rylock]

Removing India is not a silver bullet in terms of making the mod run faster. Nothing is. The mod runs as it does as a result of all the content which has been added in, compounded together -- no single element is going to improve performance that much. That said, the removal of India would remove a fair number of characters and provinces which add overhead to the event processing...so you would notice some improvement. Some. Probably. Just FYI.

 

[Kalista]

I'd remove it and use those resources elsewhere.

I honestly Say that we remove India. I noticed with the HIP Mod ( which takes out India ) That the game runs smoother and better. For whatever reason India makes the game lag.. But when its removed the game does not lag as much ( I also notice with india in Ck2 + Battles have to be fought on speed 2 ) but with HIP and india is removed.. I can do battles on speed 3.

So i say remove it.. Just because it causes so much lag for the game in general for some reason or another.

There's a crapload of provinces and holdings there and ontop of that the area seems to be coded to have very little to no interaction with the rest of the map ( ie in hundreds of test games i never once saw the indians try to leave india).

 

[JakeCourtney]

If you do remove it, then I say being able to add it back it with a sub mod should help those that want it. Surely they can fix the coding to make India want to expand outwards.

 

[AMANONLY]

I vote for the removal of it. It doesn't have a lot of love and no one really knows what to do with it. Very rarely does the area interact with any other part of the map. It just kinda seems like wasted space and any effort that gets put into it wouldn't be as appreciated as areas that people tend to play more in.

 

[starwarsfan541]

I'd really hate to see India removed, its one of my favorite areas. I'd recommend redoing the Indian religions and perhaps reworking the CB's to make the area more fun. .It'd be easy to add more sect traits for hinduism or to split it up perhaps. Buddhism really could use broken up into two or three. One thing I'd think would make it more fun would be adding nepal and tibet to add some more interesting bits to the game like the Tibetan Empire could be an interesting start in the CM bookmark.

 

[zeress]

I'd really hate to see India removed, its one of my favorite areas. I'd recommend redoing the Indian religions and perhaps reworking the CB's to make the area more fun. .It'd be easy to add more sect traits for hinduism or to split it up perhaps. Buddhism really could use broken up into two or three. One thing I'd think would make it more fun would be adding nepal and tibet to add some more interesting bits to the game like the Tibetan Empire could be an interesting start in the CM bookmark.

Adding extra stuff outside of India is definitely outside the scope of this thread

 

[starwarsfan541]

Adding extra stuff outside of India is definitely outside the scope of this thread

Well, I'd consider nepal part of India but never mind that. I do think splitting up Buddhism and making Hinduism more interesting would be a good start.

Also courtier events similar to the jewish ones could be added for Zoroastrians, nestorians and jewish ones for parts of india

 

[Rylock]

Well, I'd consider nepal part of India but never mind that. I do think splitting up Buddhism and making Hinduism more interesting would be a good start.

Also courtier events similar to the jewish ones could be added for Zoroastrians, nestorians and jewish ones for parts of india

I don't think adding more content for India is on the table, to be frank. The team has never been interested in India as an area, in the slightest.

 

[NephilimNexus]

If India was more aggressive then they would place the Caliphate into a "two-front" war situation, which would definitely add some interesting drama. The problem seems to be that it's a continent of pacifists, which is a real shame because I'm betting those war elephants could do some serious damage.

 

[Mystery404]

Why not just remove the majority of India but keep the north west part seeing as that's the only area that actually interacts with the rest of the game. This would be a happy medium approach and it also has all three Indian religions in that area, though I also wouldn't be sad to see all of India gone. Turn the parts of India you remove into a wasteland that is still on the map so it can easily be modded in by those who play in that part of the map.

 

[Asd396]

Just kill India, it seems really detached from the rest of the world. Its only use to Europeans and Arabs is if you pretend you're Alexander the Great.

 

[Cpoffers]

To be honest, removing India would involve removing content that people who own RoI payed for.

Y'know, for what it's worth.

 

[ShiaoPi]

kill india I doubt too many will miss it to be honest and if they do with the second option it should be fairly easy to get it back in

 

[kviiri]

Remove India, with an option to reinsert it either by having it easily reinstated with a submod or startup event (if it's possible or feasible - like a reverse colonization of Iceland)

 

[AMANONLY]

Looks like removal is the most popular, with a submod filling it back in with more life if someone wanted to work on it and bring it back in.

 

[JakeCourtney]

I would want the option for adding it back in. I don't think removing it is going to speed things up at all anyway.

 

[Slayen]

I vote to leave it be. Removing it will just piss off those who actually do like to play in the area with the CK2+ features.

 

[Darky]

India is absolutely useless in CK2+, imo.