When is AoW4?

[Orinsul]

we have plenty discussion of magehaven having rules, importance of social and political rules and prestige between the Godir of magehaven, that's what the Oasis mission is about, thats what covenant v shadai is about, thats what the missions to find Meandor so he can resume his position of authority is about.

 

[STARSDragoon]

we have plenty discussion of magehaven having rules, importance of social and political rules and prestige between the Godir of magehaven, that's what the Oasis mission is about, thats what covenant v shadai is about, thats what the missions to find Meandor so he can resume his position of authority is about.

There is just no real authority. Meandor seems to be a well respected godir. Thats it. There are alliances like the shadrai. But we also saw how hard it is to herd that bag of cats for lythil.

Meandor is the one who tries to restore order with oasis. But as we can see in the intro to arcalot, there is no real organization among godir. At best if meandor wants to speak, people are willing to listen out of respect. If they do as he wants or not is another question.

Also, the mission about meandor is about sundren being worried about her uncle. Lythil wanted him out of the picture for a bit, but arachne overdid it with her spell on him. Part of the reason for the mission is probably also to save the elvenworld before its too late.

 

[Orinsul]

... thats what authority is

Respect, follow these rules, agree to these decisions we have made or be ostracised and disrespected, alliances as factions pushing an agenda and philosophy or what actions are acceptable or not, get you respect, disrespect or exclusion for doing

that's what authority and politics are. everywhere. respect and consequence, the same reasons they listen to Meandor or fakeLythil are the same reason you in the real world listen to the policemen or forum moderators. If you do as they want or not is another question.

 

[STARSDragoon]

... thats what authority is

Respect, follow these rules, agree to these decisions we have made or be ostracised and disrespected, alliances as factions pushing an agenda and philosophy or what actions are acceptable or not, get you respect, disrespect or exclusion for doing

that's what authority and politics are. everywhere. respect and consequence, the same reasons they listen to Meandor or fakeLythil are the same reason you in the real world listen to the policemen or forum moderators. If you do as they want or not is another question.

Problem is, there is 0 indication he has any meaningfull power over the other godir. There is no way stopping someone from meeting others in magehaven. The ancient spell prevents any harm.

The best you can do there is to denounce them among your friends. You could war them on sight in other realms, but thats still no authority over them. And very far from a government as claimed earlier.

Though, i think we talk about different kinds of authority here. What i mean with it, meandor is no judge who can sentence you to something, no police who can forcefully remove you, no godir president to declare a new law.

He can still be an authority figure in the sense of a wise old man who gives good advice and at least some are going to follow it.

 

[Orinsul]

no violence, not no harm. They can still bully, exclude, etc. social exclusion is the most effective and longest history means of social control and enforcement of rules. magehaven is a society, just because they're all immortal gods, doesn't make them not also just people and the story mission intros explicitly frame Meandor as a respected and powerful authority in that society with the power to settle minor disputes and tell others what to do. You don't need to be able to forcible remove or imprison to do that, shun, command or compel is enough and we see examples of all that in both meandor and the politics of the factions.

 

[STARSDragoon]

no violence, not no harm. They can still bully, exclude, etc. social exclusion is the most effective and longest history means of social control and enforcement of rules. magehaven is a society, just because they're all immortal gods, doesn't make them not also just people and the story mission intros explicitly frame Meandor as a respected and powerful authority in that society with the power to settle minor disputes and tell others what to do. You don't need to be able to forcible remove or imprison to do that, shun, command or compel is enough and we see examples of all that in both meandor and the politics of the factions.

I dont think society fits. Its the gathering hub for godir. All that connects them is godirhood. If the social circle of meandors exludes you, an opposing circle will welcome you in with open arms.

The settling minor dispute thing can also be way closer too "hey meandor. Karissa and i have a problem. We both want X, can you help us settle it?". Where he then can try to suggest compromises or a challenge so one of them is the winner and gets what they want.